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Cheltenham Gold Cup 2020

Kevloaf said:
Speaking of stats....since the modern era began (switch the the New Course in 1959) this is the full list of horses that have won more than one Gold Cup.


Kauto Star 2009/2007
Best Mate 2004/2003/2002
L'escargot 1971/1970
Arkle 1966/1965/1964





Al Boum Photo 5/1 to join that list?

Laughable :p
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All them records will be smashed when Elegant Escape wins the next four gold cups

Apparently
 
Kevloaf said:
Kauto Star 2009/2007
Best Mate 2004/2003/2002
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Both won their first one as a 7yr old, which is something ABP has in his advantage on top of being lightly raced. Last year wasn’t much of a slog for him either ala Native River so think it’s highly doable
 
Liammet said:
All them records will be smashed when Elegant Escape wins the next four gold cups

Apparently
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If Elegant Escape jumps a clear round and completes the course in a faster time than his rivals, there's every chance that he will be the winner.

On the subject of Gold Cup 'virgins', there is a precedent for successful second timers who had their first attempt rudely interrupted at an early stage. See More Business was carried out (by Cyborgo?) along the back on the first circuit in 1998 and came back to win in 1999 at 16/1.
 
Hurricane fly said:
Both won their first one as a 7yr old, which is something ABP has in his advantage on top of being lightly raced. Last year wasn’t much of a slog for him either ala Native River so think it’s highly doable
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I'm not a trends follower, it's just a narrative to go along with anybodies punting. I'm just pointing out that the four horses to have done it are in my mind far superior to Al Boum Photo and Native River. I can't imagine either of those becoming legends of the sport. The 4 that have done it are actual proper legends.




The prices I'd want that would tempt me to back those two would be.... 10/1 for Al Boum Photo and I'd want 33/1 before I considered an each way bet on Native River.


By no means saying I don't think Al Boum Photo can win, I just know I won't be on him at the 4/1 he is now ante post.
 
archie said:
If Elegant Escape jumps a clear round and completes the course in a faster time than his rivals, there's every chance that he will be the winner.

On the subject of Gold Cup 'virgins', there is a precedent for successful second timers who had their first attempt rudely interrupted at an early stage. See More Business was carried out (by Cyborgo?) along the back on the first circuit in 1998 and came back to win in 1999 at 16/1.
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Haha I don't even know if the "WUM" even realised what he put when posted that! Surely if there is awards that has to make the shortlist of Quotes of the season?
 
jack1092 said:
https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/sectional-spotlight/07-January-2020

Mr Rowlands was impressed with ABP anyway!
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You'll probably be in a decent place to answer this jack as you're on the pulse of racing twitter...

Do you think the edge of sectional timings is now an over bet angle?


Everytime I hear a podcast or tipster they refer to (usually Simon Rowlands, Will Hoffman and the other dude I forgot) and people big up the speed figures to back up their selections, but it seems a little bit like it's flavour of the month (years maybe better than month in that sentence)...


It isn't like Simon Rowlands has now become the best tipster all of a sudden, he's just carrying on the same way others do?






Personally I'm all for it, the more information the better and it's great to analyse but my gut feeling is people over value it, just because it's the newest toy we've got?
 
Kevloaf said:
You'll probably be in a decent place to answer this jack as you're on the pulse of racing twitter...

Do you think the edge of sectional timings is now an over bet angle?


Everytime I hear a podcast or tipster they refer to (usually Simon Rowlands, Will Hoffman and the other dude I forgot) and people big up the speed figures to back up their selections, but it seems a little bit like it's flavour of the month (years maybe better than month in that sentence)...


It isn't like Simon Rowlands has now become the best tipster all of a sudden, he's just carrying on the same way others do?






Personally I'm all for it, the more information the better and it's great to analyse but my gut feeling is people over value it, just because it's the newest toy we've got?
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Agree completely- they are the current fascination for many + are probably overused now in terms of an angle!

I don't particularly use them either, just like reading his articles. Need to get a copy of last week's Irish Field as he had quite a lot in it from over xmas.
Andy Holding is probably who you mean! He isn't bad either. Personally never warmed to the Stopwatch Hoffman fella. Comes across a twat, and i think he jumped on the sectional bandwagon at the right time, if i remember correctly, he came to prominence from a mention on the FFP which just shows you, given how sh1t it is these days lol.

On ABP though, i suppose at least it shows his win was a decent performance on the clock, since quite a few GCs don't actually return to anywhere near themselves afterwards.
 
I have 15/2 on ABP and happy with that. I think he has a great chance of winning it again. Powered up the hill last year and I think I would take his prep rather than several of the more exposed ones.

I am thinking of taking Delta Work as my other for this race, rather have him on side being unexposed at this distance than the others who we know wont win as they haven't in recent years and wont do this year.
 
jack1092 said:
Agree completely- they are the current fascination for many + are probably overused now in terms of an angle!

I don't particularly use them either, just like reading his articles. Need to get a copy of last week's Irish Field as he had quite a lot in it from over xmas.
Andy Holding is probably who you mean! He isn't bad either. Personally never warmed to the Stopwatch Hoffman fella. Comes across a twat, and i think he jumped on the sectional bandwagon at the right time, if i remember correctly, he came to prominence from a mention on the FFP which just shows you, given how sh1t it is these days lol.

On ABP though, i suppose at least it shows his win was a decent performance on the clock, since quite a few GCs don't actually return to anywhere near themselves afterwards.
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:encouragement: Not a lot to add to that, I just agree.

Yes it was Andy Holding, I did see a promo video he did once explaining his premium service and speed figures - it involved loads of doing it yourself still and interpretting his data.

I bet FFP have given a load of new subscribers to that fella that was on over Christmas too for the betting special.

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I'm still pretty much on the fence in this race. Have been since before the RSA last year and I'm not sure I'll end up getting off the fence :highly_amused:
 
To be fair Declan Meagher who did the betting special I have been following for years (not as a subscriber but on twitter etc) and he is excellent have done some of his festival / festive services and he has put up some superb bets (Roaring Bull at 33/1 this Christmas for example)
 
Kevloaf said:
:encouragement: Not a lot to add to that, I just agree.

Yes it was Andy Holding, I did see a promo video he did once explaining his premium service and speed figures - it involved loads of doing it yourself still and interpretting his data.

I bet FFP have given a load of new subscribers to that fella that was on over Christmas too for the betting special.

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I'm still pretty much on the fence in this race. Have been since before the RSA last year and I'm not sure I'll end up getting off the fence :highly_amused:
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I feel the same, like last year most the horses I fancied early doors are prepping average if not worse and no horse is breaking through to the top of the betting with swagger. I can’t see past ABP but not because he’s a superstar but the rest either struggle at Cheltenham, have been struggling with burn out or injury or not good enough but too high in the ratings to go anywhere else
 
Muswell said:
To be fair Declan Meagher who did the betting special I have been following for years (not as a subscriber but on twitter etc) and he is excellent have done some of his festival / festive services and he has put up some superb bets (Roaring Bull at 33/1 this Christmas for example)
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Yeah he came across well on it, was just making a general point about the popularity of the show.



I wonder if it'll dip without Kevin Blake... I think it'll turn a lot of long term listeners off but it's so popular now it'll probably still grow, at the same rate the hosts heads does :devilish:
 
jack1092 said:
Agree completely- they are the current fascination for many + are probably overused now in terms of an angle!

I don't particularly use them either, just like reading his articles. Need to get a copy of last week's Irish Field as he had quite a lot in it from over xmas.
Andy Holding is probably who you mean! He isn't bad either. Personally never warmed to the Stopwatch Hoffman fella. Comes across a twat, and i think he jumped on the sectional bandwagon at the right time, if i remember correctly, he came to prominence from a mention on the FFP which just shows you, given how sh1t it is these days lol.

On ABP though, i suppose at least it shows his win was a decent performance on the clock, since quite a few GCs don't actually return to anywhere near themselves afterwards.
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Did you lads see his blog the other day he put up on twitter (Stopwatch - Will Hoffmann)? Basically said all along he’s been a losing punter and is a gambling addict. Was a very tough read.
 
Yeah good point I am a fan of Kevin Blake reasoned analysis same with Rory Delargy who I will always listen to it on
 
Middle_Of_March said:
Did you lads see his blog the other day he put up on twitter (Stopwatch - Will Hoffmann)? Basically said all along he’s been a losing punter and is a gambling addict. Was a very tough read.
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I did yeah. Tough read and it's never nice to see people get themselves into difficulty. Haven't warmed to him on twitter at all though previously, and considering he only stopped taking subscribers during the Autumn i'd say he's taken advantage of people to fund his habit.
 
Think it was a staking plan issue, betting 5%-10% of his bank roll that is never going to end well. I found some of his stuff interesting/useful, hope he gets sorted but its pretty shit deal for his customers.
 
Muswell said:
Yeah good point I am a fan of Kevin Blake reasoned analysis same with Rory Delargy who I will always listen to it on
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billymag said:
Think it was a staking plan issue, betting 5%-10% of his bank roll that is never going to end well. I found some of his stuff interesting/useful, hope he gets sorted but its pretty shit deal for his customers.
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You two not want a pretty picture?

http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showthread.php?15532-Avatar-Profile-Picture-requests/page13
 
Kev - I've just noticed your avatar and the 50/1 to win, should it not be 100/1 after the Saint Calvados pick ?
Unless you had a 50/1 that copped I have forgotten...
 
Istabraq said:
Kev - I've just noticed your avatar and the 50/1 to win, should it not be 100/1 after the Saint Calvados pick ?
Unless you had a 50/1 that copped I have forgotten...
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Haha, it was a cake that my Mum got made for me, with random 'bet slips'... before Saint Calvados' time..... before that it would have been Rawnaq for the Stayers Hurdle at 100/1 - absolutely robbed, as he had Nichols Canyon covered no trouble on their US form :highly_amused:


Labaik won at 50/1 for me, but that was not my only horse in that race or a decent winner really :highly_amused:


So we'll chalk it down as, Tiger Roll 50/1 for the Grand National - and I know I wasn't alone there :) I have people that I worked with that 'followed' that ante post tip and they always bang on about it. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside :victorious:
 
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