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Cheltenham Gold Cup - 2019.

Cheltenham Gold Cup - 2019.

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I was interested in the number of runs angle that Scooby & Boopa have both been mentioning so thought I'd have a look at what Chase run number the GC was for the winners over the last 10 years:

2009 - Kauto Star - 20th
2010 - Imperial Commander - 10th
2011- Long Run - 10th
2012 - Synchronised - 9th
2013 - Bobs Worth - 6th
2014 - Lord Windermere - 10th
2015 - Coneygree - 4th
2016 - Don Cossack - 19th
2017 - Sizing John - 10th
2018 - Native River - 13th

Certainly interesting how many times 10th run comes up, more coincidence I think then anything. It's a slightly different angle then I tend to come off for my anteposts but just thought was worth a look to see who would likely roughly fit this mean of 9/10th run trend (ignoring some of those who seem to be aimed elsewhere or just out of reckoning and based upon chasing alone you are roughly left with; Presenting Percy, Bellshill, Al Boum Photo, Monalee & Shattered Love, so no real shock second season chasers.

I am starting to believe though that the mark a Gold Cup campaign leaves can be rather long lasting and am inclined to watch Bellshill a bit closer out of all those as 20s may be just a touch too high come March especially as we all know Willie will be dying to get his hands on the GC. But I certainly get Scoobys angle in terms of general rules run as Al Boum & Monalee are way behind the others in those numbers, however Al Boum I'm just a bit reluctant to go near as I am not sure about him and can't quite put my finger on a logical reason why! Already have Percy covered in many multiples and do think he is the best staying novice by a way from last year, issue being his price is a bit low for me to go into with singles so just exploring any other possible options really.

Not really sure what this is getting at but thought I would share this in case it is of interest to others and besides killed off a bit of my Monday afternoon at work!
 
What happens if waiting patiently wins the king George. He's every chance om form. And the gold cup comes up good ground?
 
Scooby91 said:
What happens if waiting patiently wins the king George. He's every chance om form. And the gold cup comes up good ground?
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Trainer talks bollocks for weeks before and it ends up not running.
 
Scooby91 said:
What happens if waiting patiently wins the king George. He's every chance om form. And the gold cup comes up good ground?
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Took 25/1 on WP, much rather have that and risk a KG flop than take the 9/2 now for KG
 
“The King George is the main target at the moment, but if we don’t make it we could always drop back to two miles and he’ll run in the Clarence House. He’ll have an entry in Ireland as well. It’s all ground dependent as well,” owner Richard Collins said *

He summered very well, we’ve taken our time with him to get him freshened up. We’ve picked him up the last week or so, but being ground dependent, we’ll take it one step at a time.



He's an antepost nightmare. But atleast they're open with it. Need to be a bit clearer where they draw the line
Gd to soft? Soft?
 
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She's had enough time to get him ready for the King George unless there's been a setback. Can see why other owners have moved their horses on.
 
boopa said:
She's had enough time to get him ready for the King George unless there's been a setback. Can see why other owners have moved their horses on.
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Why did they move their horses?

It hasn't really worked out so far. Cloudy Dreams and Cyrius Darius have hardly shown huge improvement in their races this season.
 
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We could look at the Fortria or Christmas with him or maybe the Durkan and miss Christmas, I don’t know. We’ll see.”


Any news on sizing John? . He's not in the John durkan.

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Just seen he's had a wind op.
 
Ruth says WP needs soft ground. It has won well on good to soft. She says it wouldn't be suited to Cheltenham with no evidence to back it up. She has had 3-4 months to get it ready for the King George and now she says they might drop back to 2m. I think she's waiting a little too patiently with Waiting Patiently. You can't wrap them up in cotton wool.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Why did they move their horses?

It hasn't really worked out so far. Cloudy Dreams and Cyrius Darius have hardly shown huge improvement in their races this season.
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Didn't move them cos they were delighted though did they ?

Bit too early to judge horses that've moved on.
 
It can take a while for them to settle in. They've only had one run.
 
quevega said:
Didn't move them cos they were delighted though did they ?

Bit too early to judge horses that've moved on.
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Obviously not but Boopa said he could see why they had moved their horses on. I was interested to know what the reason was.
 
It's by Flemensfirth and she's considering dropping it back to 2m. Everyone can see it does its best work late. The ground was soft at Cheltenham, she swerved it for Aintree then it suffered an injury. Perfect example of why you can't wrap them up in cotton wool. If I was the owner I would say stop messing about and run my horse, but that's me.
 
boopa said:
It's by Flemensfirth and she's considering dropping it back to 2m. Everyone can see it does its best work late. The ground was soft at Cheltenham, she swerved it for Aintree then it suffered an injury. Perfect example of why you can't wrap them up in cotton wool. If I was the owner I would say stop messing about and run my horse, but that's me.
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Tbf That quote your referring to is the owner himself being quoted.

“The King George is the main target at the moment, but if we don’t make it we could always drop back to two miles and he’ll run in the Clarence House. He’ll have an entry in Ireland as well. It’s all ground dependent as well,” owner Richard Collins said
 
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