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Cheltenham Gold Cup 2018

Sorry if it was discussed about 20 pages back but is there any chance that Total Recall might go here? He is currently my only bet for the National but I think if I owned him I might want to give it a go. It is a really puzzling year with a lack of quality but this is one of the few who have maintained an upward curve throughout the year. It would seem he would need to find 14-20lbs on the Whisper form but I am not sure that is impossible.

Any reason why Sizing John has shortened today?
 
kinloch brae said:
Sorry if it was discussed about 20 pages back but is there any chance that Total Recall might go here? He is currently my only bet for the National but I think if I owned him I might want to give it a go. It is a really puzzling year with a lack of quality but this is one of the few who have maintained an upward curve throughout the year. It would seem he would need to find 14-20lbs on the Whisper form but I am not sure that is impossible.

Any reason why Sizing John has shortened today?
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No idea. But his last race looks easy to write off now with djakadam putting up a good show at the weekend. And him coming in fresh.
 
kinloch brae said:
Sorry if it was discussed about 20 pages back but is there any chance that Total Recall might go here? He is currently my only bet for the National but I think if I owned him I might want to give it a go. It is a really puzzling year with a lack of quality but this is one of the few who have maintained an upward curve throughout the year. It would seem he would need to find 14-20lbs on the Whisper form but I am not sure that is impossible.

Any reason why Sizing John has shortened today?
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If he pulled like he did last time he'd finish last... not anywhere near good enough in my opinion as he was getting too much weight from whisper to say he's superior and Whisper has loads to find composted to might bite on their RSA form.
 
The more I look the more I like Road To Respect at 10/1 nrnb bog on a ratio of 1pt win, 1pt ew.
 
archie said:
The more I look the more I like Road To Respect at 10/1 nrnb bog on a ratio of 1pt win, 1pt ew.
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I'm currently sat here with 4 possibilities, Road To Respect being one, the other 3 are Might Bite, Our Duke & Killultagh Vic.

Such a tough race to crack, and given most of them have done their running now and are going straight to the festival doesn't make it any easier!
 
Might Bite could be anything but rating him on 169 after the KG involves bumping Double Shuffle up from 151 to 166.

Killultagh Vic I like a lot but I'm not going to saddle Willie with my vote to win his first Gold Cup.

Our Duke is still a slow old boat who can give Presenting Percy a decent race in the Irish National as compensation for Cheltenham failure.
 
archie said:
The more I look the more I like Road To Respect at 10/1 nrnb bog on a ratio of 1pt win, 1pt ew.
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He is certainly an improved animal and looking like one for the shortlist but thee Mildmay/PLate is a graveyard for future winners.
There have been some very ordinary horses win the race and I can't think of one who has gone on to win a graded chase (Ballynagour won a graded hurdle in France) after winning this.
I've seen some average horses win this, New Halen, Mr McGoldrick, Old Bridge and plenty more, certainly can't recall anything that has gone on to run in a Gold Cup though I'm sure something has.
And although he has changed yards I can't see a Grade 3 handicap as a natural stepping stone to Gold Cup glory, unless Colm Murphy is as poor a judge as Henry De Bromhead was with Sizing John.

But all that said, he has proved himself this year...
 
Istabraq said:
He is certainly an improved animal and looking like one for the shortlist but thee Mildmay/PLate is a graveyard for future winners.
There have been some very ordinary horses win the race and I can't think of one who has gone on to win a graded chase (Ballynagour won a graded hurdle in France) after winning this.
I've seen some average horses win this, New Halen, Mr McGoldrick, Old Bridge and plenty more, certainly can't recall anything that has gone on to run in a Gold Cup though I'm sure something has.
And although he has changed yards I can't see a Grade 3 handicap as a natural stepping stone to Gold Cup glory, unless Colm Murphy is as poor a judge as Henry De Bromhead was with Sizing John.

But all that said, he has proved himself this year...
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Not that important Ista but don't think colm Murphy trained road to respect
Eoin Griffin I think
 
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archie said:
Might Bite could be anything but rating him on 169 after the KG involves bumping Double Shuffle up from 151 to 166.

Killultagh Vic I like a lot but I'm not going to saddle Willie with my vote to win his first Gold Cup.

Our Duke is still a slow old boat who can give Presenting Percy a decent race in the Irish National as compensation for Cheltenham failure.
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Not the first time I've said this but I do NOT see how that is a negative...

Slow boats have won the Gold Cup in LOADS of renewals...

Lord Windemere, Syncronised, Bobs Worth to name just 3 in the last 6 seasons...
Coneygree also one paced, Don Cossack couldn't win a Ryanair or KG - and Sizing John's record at 3m is way way way better than shorter trips to round out all the last 6 renewals...

I am not saying a horse like Might Bite (who isn't a BOAT) can't win... but what I am saying is "slow boats" do WIN Gold Cups...
 
Our Duke has needed and will need extreme distances to be seen to best advantage (although I do admit to using that particular phrase just for your benefit, Kev:devilish:).
 
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Willie Mullins reports Killultagh Vic to have recovered "remarkably well" from his final-fence fall in the Irish Gold Cup at Leopardstown last Sunday.

The nine-year-old was sidelined for the best part of two years after winning a novice chase at the Foxrock venue in dramatic circumstances in January 2016, making a serious blunder before Ruby Walsh performed miracles in the saddle to secure victory.

He made a successful return from his lengthy absence in a hurdle race at Punchestown on New Year's Eve before being thrown in at the deep end last weekend and looked to be travelling like the winner until coming to grief at the last under Paul Townend.

Mullins said: " Killultagh Vic is fine and came out of the race remarkably well.

"He isn't back riding out yet but hopefully he will shortly."

Killultagh Vic is a best priced 10-1 to provide his trainer with a first victory in the Cheltenham Gold Cup at Prestbury Park next month.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Willie Mullins reports Killultagh Vic to have recovered "remarkably well" from his final-fence fall in the Irish Gold Cup at Leopardstown last Sunday.

The nine-year-old was sidelined for the best part of two years after winning a novice chase at the Foxrock venue in dramatic circumstances in January 2016, making a serious blunder before Ruby Walsh performed miracles in the saddle to secure victory.

He made a successful return from his lengthy absence in a hurdle race at Punchestown on New Year's Eve before being thrown in at the deep end last weekend and looked to be travelling like the winner until coming to grief at the last under Paul Townend.

Mullins said: " Killultagh Vic is fine and came out of the race remarkably well.

"He isn't back riding out yet but hopefully he will shortly."

Killultagh Vic is a best priced 10-1 to provide his trainer with a first victory in the Cheltenham Gold Cup at Prestbury Park next month.
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That's very good news thanks. :)

but bare in mind for anyone that fancies him take nrnb.

Nothing would come to to light until his work steps up a gear.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Willie Mullins reports Killultagh Vic to have recovered "remarkably well" from his final-fence fall in the Irish Gold Cup at Leopardstown last Sunday.

The nine-year-old was sidelined for the best part of two years after winning a novice chase at the Foxrock venue in dramatic circumstances in January 2016, making a serious blunder before Ruby Walsh performed miracles in the saddle to secure victory.

He made a successful return from his lengthy absence in a hurdle race at Punchestown on New Year's Eve before being thrown in at the deep end last weekend and looked to be travelling like the winner until coming to grief at the last under Paul Townend.

Mullins said: " Killultagh Vic is fine and came out of the race remarkably well.

"He isn't back riding out yet but hopefully he will shortly."

Killultagh Vic is a best priced 10-1 to provide his trainer with a first victory in the Cheltenham Gold Cup at Prestbury Park next month.
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Great news :)

Already had some of the exchange prices before the Irish Gold Cup, and now might go in again NRNB.
 
Native River still 8/1 with the "boost" with Ladbrokes at the moment for anyone interested... they are NRNB now too
 
I haven't given Native river too much thought so far , In a couple of multiples , Early on , Most likely with B.D, altior and N.Canyon
if my memory serves me right , Anyone think he's going shake the market up ?
 
BigChaang said:
I haven't given Native river too much thought so far , In a couple of multiples , Early on , Most likely with B.D, altior and N.Canyon
if my memory serves me right , Anyone think he's going shake the market up ?
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All he did today is shown he's well.
 
Does nobody think Double Shuffle is overpriced, finished a length behind Might Bite in the KG, closing to the line, miles clear of some decent animals in third and beyond. Tom George hadn't really prepared the horse fully and I think was pleasantly surprised at his performance, has since stated that he will be prepared for a crack at the GC now, and is about 14 times the price of Might Bite, plus the extra 2f, up the hill, should suit him as well as any, and Might Bite didn't handle the hill that well in the RSA, so I've availed myself of some of the 40's on offer, any thoughts folks?
 
MrMcGoldrick said:
Does nobody think Double Shuffle is overpriced, finished a length behind Might Bite in the KG, closing to the line, miles clear of some decent animals in third and beyond. Tom George hadn't really prepared the horse fully and I think was pleasantly surprised at his performance, has since stated that he will be prepared for a crack at the GC now, and is about 14 times the price of Might Bite, plus the extra 2f, up the hill, should suit him as well as any, and Might Bite didn't handle the hill that well in the RSA, so I've availed myself of some of the 40's on offer, any thoughts folks?
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If you take the form of Kempton literally then absolutely right to note him as value.

However, I think Might Bite had an awful lot in hand and me personally have doubts on him in a top class race over 3m 2f on an undulating track. But it’s all about opinions and I’m usually wrong!!
 
Al Ferof said:
If you take the form of Kempton literally then absolutely right to note him as value.

However, I think Might Bite had an awful lot in hand and me personally have doubts on him in a top class race over 3m 2f on an undulating track. But it’s all about opinions and I’m usually wrong!!
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Tbh Al the further into the past the race gets the better the performance of DS appears in my minds eye. He was a length behind MB, then a couple clear of Thistlecrack another 3 or so to the 4th, but they were then about 16 clear of Whisper. Before that he was 8lnths behind Top Notch over 2m 5f, a distance clearly too short given how he travelled and finished. I remember having a similar debate the year See More Business won, I'd had plenty of opportunities to back him at 33's and was talked out of it, I still backed him at 16's, a good return but not as good as it should have been. Since then I've always followed my gut instinct, and my gut instinct tells me he's not out of this
 
MrMcGoldrick said:
Does nobody think Double Shuffle is overpriced, finished a length behind Might Bite in the KG, closing to the line, miles clear of some decent animals in third and beyond. Tom George hadn't really prepared the horse fully and I think was pleasantly surprised at his performance, has since stated that he will be prepared for a crack at the GC now, and is about 14 times the price of Might Bite, plus the extra 2f, up the hill, should suit him as well as any, and Might Bite didn't handle the hill that well in the RSA, so I've availed myself of some of the 40's on offer, any thoughts folks?
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I think the championship races are all ripe for boilover so why not.
 
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