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Cheltenham Gold Cup 2018
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Shouldn't be the case I listened without subscribing
Think he means he has a life and won't get chance :highly_amused:
Anyone off to Haydock tomorrow? I am. Wooo
You take anything from that interview or the tour kev? Only thing I learned is the confirmation that winter soldier won his schooling hurdles which I had heard elsewhere previously but was unsure if they really knew.
And antey has a bit of pace should be 2-2m4
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Nothing to get me checking oddschecker... maybe that Annamix is going novice chasing next year ... 2019 arkle?:highly_amused:
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The forecast is poor Kev. Cloudy Too is one I like at a price but don't have any really strong opinions on the card
1.15 clan des obeaux my only bet it the day tomorrow so avoid that one
Looks a decent card
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Bristol performance did surprise me today , not that he won but fact he won by so far. Yes opposition didnt run their races for whatever reason , but thats Bristols best performance by far in his short career. Only 6 , and best days to come. Only horse now that can win the million , dont expect that to happen but he is improving.If he gets his ground in either KG or GC he will give them all something to think about.
I haven't backed him and not for me, but he fell early there. And if he was ever going down the gold cup route he hasn't lost much today.
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Ooouccch Doc , i wont gloat but amazed by ride Townsend gave him , must of ridden to instruction. He better than that im sure but not great start.
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Gloat away beast. An early lead before halftime. The quote still stands. I'll happily take AB on the chin, but BDM will do well to even line-up. Lets just put it in the notebook and see who's gloating come March.
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Can someone talk me through the RPR of 185 for Bristol De Mai, or his Timeform rating please?
Rated higher than Denman :highly_amused::highly_amused:
Rated higher than Denman :highly_amused::highly_amused:
As a one off performance that's the furthest ever G1 win ... record previously held by Apple's Jade
Best horse on the planet. Denman would get smashed by BDM.
Just kidding of course... but on a slightly different note, what I took from it is that Thistlecrack King George wasn't as good as I thought. Cue card and tea for two closely matched again and although thistlecrack was visually eased down, it don't think CC or TFT would put out up to Might Bite, Yorkhill, Our Duke or sizing john
ComplyOrDie
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My main issue with it is all of his facile successes have been at Haydock, yet elsewhere he is pretty ordinary, well ordinary at the top level, certainly not a 185 horse. How can they justify beating a soon to be 12 year old in bottomless ground with a rating like that. It's farcical for me.
'IF' he does it elsewhere against the top horse then you know what, fair enough, but he's still a long way off from doing that!
There may also be more to come, as his first attempt at the Gold Cup was aged 6, but also not to forget Djakadam run the Gold Cup aged 6th and managed 2nd, BDM was back in 7th, and this division looks as competitive as it has been for some time now.
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I dread to think what rating the RP are going to give Might Bite after he easily beats the now 185 rated Bristol de Mai then 
I don't bother paying too much attention to ratings and the post race ratings for Bristol de Mai have probably made me pay even less consideration to them going forward! When you look at it and compare it to some of the great horses of recent years it just shows what a mess the ratings system is. The huge winning margin has been taken literally with zero context.
However...I think it's interesting to think how both Sizing John and Might Bite may have fared with Bristol de Mai in that form though. I had this down as a bit of a gimme for Might Bite if he turned up and though I have no doubt both him and Sizing John would have pulled a similarly excessive distance between the rest of the runners I do wonder if purely on the day, that track and ground, with it suiting Bristol De Mai and not MB or SJ would they have beaten him? The more I think about it the more I think they may not have. So full credit has to be given to the horse for the performance before I knock him too much. If that would have happened then perhaps the ratings could have been justified.
In terms of what imo Bristol de Mai goes on to achieve...despite the performance at the weekend and the above I still have zero interest in him for the Gold Cup and only a passing interest for the King George. Not that I don't like the horse but having been previously beaten in the race, and having had 2 hard races on soft and heavy ground this season already he just doesn't enter my calculations. We've seen these huge winning distances by the horse for several years now. The track and ground suit the horse 100% and despite being a grade 1 in name, it had little substance. I see NTD and connections are getting the excuses out around last season and saying if he hadn't of blundered the last in the Gold Cup...we've heard this before with the New One how every year would be different
He'll be the one to beat for next years Betfair Chase and perhaps several more but he needs to back this up on better ground and another track before I start considering him for the other top 3 mile + chases. I wonder if later down the line they look to start taking him over to Ireland as well where the ground could be better suited in the Winter?
I think this is a very good point. I love Thistlecrack and his King George win last season had me i'll admit raving but hindsight is certainly starting to make me question more and more how much his chase runs amount too (and I know plenty had this view even as soon as they crossed the line in the KG). With Our Duke's setback and the Triple Crown bonus no longer being on the table I can't see much reasoning why Sizing John doesn't stay in Ireland for the Lexus over Christmas and now with more doubts on the substance of Thistlecrack's form.
As Bristol de Mai has shown his liking for Haydock and the kind of performances he can put in at a specific track...Might Bite has very strong claims to do similar with Kempton and the King George. All is going to plan for Nicky Henderson and Might Bite...
(...and also for Willie and Ruby on Yorkhill come March for the big one :triumphant
I don't bother paying too much attention to ratings and the post race ratings for Bristol de Mai have probably made me pay even less consideration to them going forward! When you look at it and compare it to some of the great horses of recent years it just shows what a mess the ratings system is. The huge winning margin has been taken literally with zero context.
However...I think it's interesting to think how both Sizing John and Might Bite may have fared with Bristol de Mai in that form though. I had this down as a bit of a gimme for Might Bite if he turned up and though I have no doubt both him and Sizing John would have pulled a similarly excessive distance between the rest of the runners I do wonder if purely on the day, that track and ground, with it suiting Bristol De Mai and not MB or SJ would they have beaten him? The more I think about it the more I think they may not have. So full credit has to be given to the horse for the performance before I knock him too much. If that would have happened then perhaps the ratings could have been justified.
In terms of what imo Bristol de Mai goes on to achieve...despite the performance at the weekend and the above I still have zero interest in him for the Gold Cup and only a passing interest for the King George. Not that I don't like the horse but having been previously beaten in the race, and having had 2 hard races on soft and heavy ground this season already he just doesn't enter my calculations. We've seen these huge winning distances by the horse for several years now. The track and ground suit the horse 100% and despite being a grade 1 in name, it had little substance. I see NTD and connections are getting the excuses out around last season and saying if he hadn't of blundered the last in the Gold Cup...we've heard this before with the New One how every year would be different
He'll be the one to beat for next years Betfair Chase and perhaps several more but he needs to back this up on better ground and another track before I start considering him for the other top 3 mile + chases. I wonder if later down the line they look to start taking him over to Ireland as well where the ground could be better suited in the Winter?
I think this is a very good point. I love Thistlecrack and his King George win last season had me i'll admit raving but hindsight is certainly starting to make me question more and more how much his chase runs amount too (and I know plenty had this view even as soon as they crossed the line in the KG). With Our Duke's setback and the Triple Crown bonus no longer being on the table I can't see much reasoning why Sizing John doesn't stay in Ireland for the Lexus over Christmas and now with more doubts on the substance of Thistlecrack's form.
As Bristol de Mai has shown his liking for Haydock and the kind of performances he can put in at a specific track...Might Bite has very strong claims to do similar with Kempton and the King George. All is going to plan for Nicky Henderson and Might Bite...
(...and also for Willie and Ruby on Yorkhill come March for the big one :triumphant