Cheltenham Festival Roll-Ups

[darlojim]

Skelton doing Skelton things with Brace For Landing ?

I hope so.

Been in my tracker since the first day in UK for him after having the 2 already in FR.

33s took earlier in the week looks value now

Love the fact he pulled his other too when one gazumped him in the entries last minute.

 

[CJW]

I hope so.

Been in my tracker since the first day in UK for him after having the 2 already in FR.

33s took earlier in the week looks value now

Love the fact he pulled his other too when one gazumped him in the entries last minute.

Dam! Looking good now for sure.

 

[NeptuneByANose]

Skelton doing Skelton things with Brace For Landing ?

Yep, you’d be concerned they’ve been that keen to get him in. I had a saver on earlier but can’t say I’d pick him over Wreckless Eric myself. Respect the connections and intent though. Usually speaks volumes.

 

[NeptuneByANose]

Two years of pain in a row with Wreckless Eric Never beating the winner without the jockey losing its irons, but a cruel tease that he would’ve got there if not stuck behind Top Jimmy’s scruffy jumping all the way round

 

[CJW]

Wreckless Eric 14/1 looks big in the Imperial Cup on the weekend… should’ve won last year and 3lb lower this time off a lighter campaign. Don’t know if he is a definite runner but happy at those odds to find out.

Unlucky, great shout.

 

[luisgarciaisgod]

Colcannon at Naas in the first tomorrow a decent last minute rollup op?

If Noel Meade has sorted out his jumping surely he should have way too much for the rest?

 

[Hurricane fly]

I know these aren't everyones thing but following a disaster festival where I had alot of places, I've decided to try and play e/w more often early doors.

In the context of roll ups, it's interesting to note that bet365 will allow you to go e/w on a roll up even if the first leg is football or any other non-racing event. I typically play american sports O/U which are priced anywhere from 8/11 - 11/10 and football bets, so this is giving me an avenue into reducing the e/w impact.

I haven't looked at everyone, but I know that skybet doesn't allow this.

As a side note - I'm in 2 minds about whether rollups are something I will continue with, I suspect it's more a microcosm of my festival, as I had some great ones rolling to Kopek, Fact to File and Teahupoo and a decent e/w win on Bob O thanks to them, but when following it properly nearly 20% of my outlay was failed ones. Perhaps I should just be more selective with them.

 

[Istabraq]

I know these aren't everyones thing but following a disaster festival where I had alot of places, I've decided to try and play e/w more often early doors.

In the context of roll ups, it's interesting to note that bet365 will allow you to go e/w on a roll up even if the first leg is football or any other non-racing event. I typically play american sports O/U which are priced anywhere from 8/11 - 11/10 and football bets, so this is giving me an avenue into reducing the e/w impact.

I haven't looked at everyone, but I know that skybet doesn't allow this.

As a side note - I'm in 2 minds about whether rollups are something I will continue with, I suspect it's more a microcosm of my festival, as I had some great ones rolling to Kopek, Fact to File and Teahupoo and a decent e/w win on Bob O thanks to them, but when following it properly nearly 20% of my outlay was failed ones. Perhaps I should just be more selective with them.

Yeah I get the idea HF, my roll ups were centred around Marine National and Fact to File.
The fact neither got a run is enough for me to swerve roll ups going forward, scratching around finding half decent NFL/football/cricket bets and seeing them wasted on non runners is frustrating even more so given the circumstances around Fact to File.
I get the benefit but from this years experience I've just concluded they're not for me.
Best of luck...

 

[Halffat1]

As a side note - I'm in 2 minds about whether rollups are something I will continue with, I suspect it's more a microcosm of my festival, as I had some great ones rolling to Kopek, Fact to File and Teahupoo and a decent e/w win on Bob O thanks to them, but when following it properly nearly 20% of my outlay was failed ones. Perhaps I should just be more selective with them.

I get that they aren't for everyone but last year roll ups gave me interest through the season, as well as being in better positions for the Festival. You could lose 80% of your roll up outlay, which seems massive, but providing the roll up element odds are in excess of 4/1 they are still "value". As with everything, it's all personal preference.

 

[FinalFurlong91]

I know these aren't everyones thing but following a disaster festival where I had alot of places, I've decided to try and play e/w more often early doors.

In the context of roll ups, it's interesting to note that bet365 will allow you to go e/w on a roll up even if the first leg is football or any other non-racing event. I typically play american sports O/U which are priced anywhere from 8/11 - 11/10 and football bets, so this is giving me an avenue into reducing the e/w impact.

I haven't looked at everyone, but I know that skybet doesn't allow this.

As a side note - I'm in 2 minds about whether rollups are something I will continue with, I suspect it's more a microcosm of my festival, as I had some great ones rolling to Kopek, Fact to File and Teahupoo and a decent e/w win on Bob O thanks to them, but when following it properly nearly 20% of my outlay was failed ones. Perhaps I should just be more selective with them.

The reason i dont bet e/w personally is id either be doubling my stake or halving my win returns

On roll ups my thinking is if you think a horse is good value just back it. Putting a poor value bet in a double doesnt make it a better bet.

 

[archie]

The reason i dont bet e/w personally is id either be doubling my stake or halving my win returns

On roll ups my thinking is if you think a horse is good value just back it. Putting a poor value bet in a double doesnt make it a better bet.

Bullseye.

 

[Hurricane fly]

The reason i dont bet e/w personally is id either be doubling my stake or halving my win returns

On roll ups my thinking is if you think a horse is good value just back it. Putting a poor value bet in a double doesnt make it a better bet.

E/W is something I've debated for a long time. I think 2 years ago I had a lot of places but managed to have enough winners still make a profit. This year my antepost was 4 winners and 12 places. I suspect the drop in win money would have been outweighed by the places.
Now, putting 0.5pt on a 10/1 4 months before the festival doesn't exactly get the juices flowing when you're at a 1/2 return for the festival. However, come the festival going 3,4,5 races without a return can be incredibly demoralising and little 5-10 pt returns would feel a lifeline in those moments.

Like I said, something I've wrangled with a lot, I've not outlay too much so far but am probably 50:50 e/w vs win only where as usually I'd be 100% win only.

On the Roll ups I'll usually back as a single as well as the festival bet, so it's not a case of just lobbing things in willy nilly. I would think most are the same, however I do recognise that can become a danger

 

[luisgarciaisgod]

I try and get a E/W price on absolutely everything for Cheltenham. Winners are so hard to come by and you're leaving money on the table by not having a place option.

Less than a month before the festival I used roll ups to get e/w prices on Old Park Star, The New Lion and Teahupoo despite all being under 3/1.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

I try and get a E/W price on absolutely everything for Cheltenham. Winners are so hard to come by and you're leaving money on the table by not having a place option.

Less than a month before the festival I used roll ups to get e/w prices on Old Park Star, The New Lion and Teahupoo despite all being under 3/1.

I do exactly the same. I know there are plenty on here that play win only, but I can't break the habit of a lifetime, and I quite like how the place money back adds up as I am working out how I got on at the festival. Obviously paying double for the E/W element of the bet, I can see why plenty would not want to play it this way.

My best example for playing E/W was the Triumph Hurdle, I didn't have the winner, but I had the 2nd & 3rd both 2pts E/W @ 25's & 20's, whilst this still ended up a losing race for me it certainly could have been worse had I gone win only on the bets I did place.

 

[robith]

I can never make my mind up about what I think is the right way, but antepost I sometimes do 0.5 pt ew, 0.5 pt win so you've got some each way protection, a windfall if you win, but haven't had to fully double you stake

 

[Kautostar]

I only tend to do each way on those that are 25/1+ and “less risky” in terms of target. I’m a book builder so backing everything e/w would result in an enormous outlay (it’s already massive due the nature of book building). Then you’re in effect losing double for each non runner if keeping to the same stakes. It doesn’t really work for my style of betting so I just selectively do a few e/w bets when I feel the price is right to attack the place part. All my multis, yankees etc tend to be e/w as the place parts of those do add up nicely.
If I was only backing 2-3 horses each race then I’d be more inclined to bet e/w

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Really liked the debut performance of Diamond Street, backed him again at Newbury today @ 4/1.

Yet to decide if I am going to use him in a roll up, but certainly backing him today.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

Having seen the defense Moyes has picked, I'm going to put Chelsea in a couple of roll-ups.

 

[Eggs]

Having seen the defense Moyes has picked, I'm going to put Chelsea in a couple of roll-ups.

….ha, ha, actually chuffed your mate is on the bench, I was concerned he’d had an injury relapse when not involved last week.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

….ha, ha, actually chuffed your mate is on the bench, I was concerned he’d had an injury relapse when not involved last week.

Should be the first name on team sheet!