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6 hour's in A & E , Christ that Tom Lee must be feckin boring , should come with a health warning !.
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Cheltenham Festival Preview Nights 2019
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6 hour's in A & E , Christ that Tom Lee must be feckin boring , should come with a health warning !.
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I know
we don't need to do this.
You know as well as I do
He will not win this race.
He's 11.
and they don't even win poor renewals never mind competitive ones.
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I assume hes had his balls on Ireland to win all 28 races judged on his comments :very_drunk:
To be fair to Tom Lee the panel are hardly electric. Brian Hughes hasn't got any rides at the Festival worth talking about and sounds half asleep.
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Some good boosts tbf to them, never heard of them so I hope they're a credible firm
All I kept thinking for the 25 mins I suffered was how good a job you do Mark....
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That's very kind & appreciated. But it's not too bad a job when you've talkative & funny people on a panel. Didn't know you attended - please say hello on 11th March at CTFC.
I agree, Davy is always value and I’m looking forward to Crossey this year, met him at Warwick on New Years Eve and he was very good, but I think this panel pretty much gave up when they realised how difficult it would be to be heard....
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Another famous forumite?
I had no idea...
We really should force people to do an introduction :highly_amused:
Dave Crosse is a top man and pretty much a professional pundit now. He's got a company that primarily hosts boxes at roughly 16 courses from Carlisle down to Newton Abbot. He's got some great stories. Can't put it on here but the Harry Cobden cricket bat tale still makes me laugh now. Anyhow - best not fill this page with irrelevant drivel. Apologies to other posters.
Did Davy not use that gag at last years evening Mark ?
Bryony being the happiest female pilot in history...
Cheltenham Preview night, Larry Tomkins Sportspub, Cork
Panel : Tony Mullins (TM), Charlie Swan (CS), JJ SLevin (JJ) , John Dinnen (JD - bookie with plot at Cheltenham)
Supreme Novices :
JD -> Poor renewal. Al Dancer won week Betfair hurdle, 3rd horse home was bought out of a claimer. Couldn’t have it.
Fancies Mister Fisher e/w if it comes up soft Vision dHonneur .
JJ -> Fakir dOoudaires very uncomplicated ride. Took him everywhere in the Triumph trial. Daryl Jacob set off to make the pace on Adjali but couldn’t lay up with Fakir. Travelled all over it.
TM -> Aragon the best that Closutton has to offer. Its prep hasn’t been ideal as a result of vaccinations. But said that this could be a race for an outsider each-way poke.
CS -> Said that Will Twiston-Davies said that Al Dancer is the best horse in the yard!! He’s the one to beat. Champagne Platinum e/w and also said Aramon won’t be out of the 1st 3
Arkle :
TM -> Cilaos Emery not yet a non-runner. Lalor is a serious horse. Doesn’t like Defi Du Seuil as he thinks that Triumph winners aren’t quick enough to win Arkles
CS -> Thinks Lalor wants further. Says that Defi Du Seuil is the one and that ALL of Phillip Hobbs’ horses were sick last year. Gives Us And Them as a big each-way chance
JJ -> Duc De Geneivres very good. Respects Paloma Blue and also likes Us And Them each-way.
JD -> According to the exchanges Cilaos Emery very doubtful. Reckons its a below average Arkle and will lay Lalor. Glen Forsa an each-way chance based on its Sandown race
Champion Hurdle :
TM -> The race of the season. Cant; split the top 3 in the betting.
CS -> Slight doubt re Apples Jade Cheltenham course form. Then gave a big shout out to Espoir Dallen each-way. Said that if the front 3 in the market get into it that it would pick up the pieces and that the only time it has lost is when it was sick.
JJ -> Worried that Apples Jade was beaten here last year. Likes Vardana Blue each-way based on beating Buveur Dair. Also thinks Sharjah could be the value in the race.
JD -> If Buveur Dair is back to his beat it wins. Cant have Apples Jade mentioned being beaten by Irving. Either Buveur Dair or something outside the front 3 wins.
Mares hurdle :
TM -> Benie Des Dieux could be the next Dawn Run. HOWEVER, he is adamant she won’t run unless the ground is soft and not alone here but at Punchestown as well
NOTE 1 : Tony Mullins then went on to say that Willie has no problem whatsoever turning out his horses into the field if they don’t get soft ground and waiting until next year, mentioned Benie Des Dieux, AL Boum photo, Carefully Selected
CS -> Elimay each-way chance
JJ -> Benie Des Dieux
JD -> Wont be laying the fave here.
NH Chase :
CS -> OK Corral has lots of class, conditions of this race have changed so more classier horses are winning
JD - > 2 horse race between OK Corral and Ballyward. Back them both for a profit
Ballymore :
CS -> thinks Champ should be in the Supreme. Very keen. Champagne Platinum stays very well.
TM -> Battleoverdoyen a worthy fave, unbeaten. City Island has had plenty of form boosts. Carefully Selected needs soft.
JJ -> Likes Sam’s Profile who ran very well behind Battleoverdoyen, dropped his legs in one of the hurdles but stayed on well.
JD -> Taking on the front 2 in the market.
Champion Chase:
All for Altior.
JD -> Took on Altior last year, won’t do it this year
RSA :
JB : Likes the front 2 in the market
TM : Barring accidents , fancies Santini
CS -> Thinks this is a 2 horse race and comes down to the jockeys and would rather be backing Davy Russell than Nico
JJ -> Out of the blue brought up Chriss Dream as an outsider. Said that Delta Work wins and that Topofthegame is too quirky.
Cross Country :
JB -> Tiger Roll
It was then that the mic was handed to former jockey and banks specialist turned Agent Ken Whelan and he said that the other horses won’t see Tiger Roll!! Gave FactofheMatter each-way as it had had a wind-op
CS -> Likes Auvergnat
TM -> Tiger Roll won’t be beaten
Bumper :
TM : Envoi Allen best horse in the race but worries that it may struggle to stay sound seen as its been running on rattling fast ground so far.
CS -> JP bought Blue Sari after Gowran win when Derek O’Connor said it was an aeroplane.
JJ -> Meticulous in good form and the one he’d pick to ride. Is going the right way and should place.
JB - > Negative for Envoi Allen
JLT :
Not a long time spent on this as the panel agreed that its hard to work out whats running here.
JB / CS / TM -> Defi Du Seuil wins
JJ -> Thinks Kalashnikov is crying out for the step up in trip here.
Ryanair :
TM : Un De Sceaux a standing dish at the festival. If it comes up soft, whatever beats him wins.
JJ -> Likes Monalee for this.
JB -> An open race, lots of doubt about runners. No bet
MC Joe Seward then mentioned Min and a few of the panel were of the opinion that it had a chance.
Stayers :
TM -> Negative with Faugheen just doesn’t see it as being at the top level to win here. Says Paisley Park is the one to beat
CS -> Paisley Park one of the BANKERS of the meeting
JJ -> Liked Paisley Parks performance in the Cleeve. Likes Barardys each-way
JB -> Whilst Paisley Park the most likely winner, is too short. Also mentioned Bacardys each-way
NOTE 2 :
It was here that out of the blue Tony Mullins said that he’d heard a big word for Walk To Freedom from the Jessie Harrington yard in the Pertemps!!!!
NOTE 3 :
Speaking of Jessies yard it was then discussed amongst the panel that word was Supasundae goes Champion hurdle and that they were struggling to get the weight off him
Mares Novices:
Most open renewal of this race. No odds on shot here
CS : Epitante will act on any ground but if the ground is still good , fancies Sancta Simona
TM -> Honeysuckle is the one to beat. You can’t beat a filly o the up curve, they can be anything. Market will tell.
JB -> Open race, watch the market
JJ -> If the rain comes and the ground gets soft, fancies Posh Trish, also gives a shoutout to LustforGlory that cost €240,000 out of a point to point
Triumph :
JJ : Said Joseph O’Brien has a very strong team of juvenile hurdlers and Sir Eric is by far the best of them. Also reckons the English form is inferior.
CS -> Sir Eric, banker of the meeting
NOTE 4
It was here that Tony Mullins said forget about backing Sire Erec for the Triumph, we should back it for the Champion hurdle!!! Reminded him of Sea Pigeon. The horse is the real deal.
JB -> Willing to take the fave on at the price.
Panel them mentioned a Paul Nicholls unnamed type that is fancied but didn’t give its name
Abert Bartlett :
JB-> Stronger race than usual.
CS -> Dickie Diver has lots of ability and is an each-way chance. Also said that Birchdale definitely runs here
TM -> Heard nothing from Closutton re Alloho. Relgate needs soft ground and then said that the form for these races is up in the air on account of the good-ground racing over the Winter
CS -> Likes Rhinestone each-way
NOTE 5
Again Tony Mullins was adamant that Wille won’t run any of his soft ground horses if the ground isn’t soft. No problem turning them out. Has done it before.
Gold Cup :
TM -> Can't have Percy at the price. Said its between Clan Des Obeaux and Native River but wouldn’t rule out Bristol De Mai each-way
CS -> Said that Presenting Percy and Clan Des Obeaux have the class in the race. If it comes up soft, Al Boum Photo each-way.
JB -> Doubts that Presenting Percy deserves to be as short as he is
JJ -> Comments how Native River was swishing its tail every time Dickie Johnson gave it a smack going up the hill last year and that horses remember tough races like that.
Enda Bolger then joined the panel and said that Tiger Roll was unbeatable!!. Also re his fave in the Foxhunters Standupandfight that it would be a better horse next year and that there were better horses in the race. He fancied Caid Du Berlais
Foxhunters :
JJ : Fancied Kruzhlinin
Handicap Bets:
Charles Byrnes horse Off You Go runs in wither the County hurdle or the Coral Cup
CS : Sire Du Berlais - Pertemps
TM : Walk To Freedom - Pertemps
JJ : Early Doors - Martin Pipe
Charity Bets :
TM : NAP - Benie Des Dieux BISMARCK : Presenting Percy
Chairyt Bet Double : Benie Des Dieux/Sir Eric
CS : NAP - Presenting Percy BISMARCK : Clan Des Obeaux
JJ : NAP - Sir Erec BISMARCK : Santini (RSA)
JB : NAP - Ballyward. BISMARCK : Apples Jade
Great night had by all and plenty of money raised for Crumlin children’s hospital. Big shout-out to MC Joe Seward.
Panel : Tony Mullins (TM), Charlie Swan (CS), JJ SLevin (JJ) , John Dinnen (JD - bookie with plot at Cheltenham)
Supreme Novices :
JD -> Poor renewal. Al Dancer won week Betfair hurdle, 3rd horse home was bought out of a claimer. Couldn’t have it.
Fancies Mister Fisher e/w if it comes up soft Vision dHonneur .
JJ -> Fakir dOoudaires very uncomplicated ride. Took him everywhere in the Triumph trial. Daryl Jacob set off to make the pace on Adjali but couldn’t lay up with Fakir. Travelled all over it.
TM -> Aragon the best that Closutton has to offer. Its prep hasn’t been ideal as a result of vaccinations. But said that this could be a race for an outsider each-way poke.
CS -> Said that Will Twiston-Davies said that Al Dancer is the best horse in the yard!! He’s the one to beat. Champagne Platinum e/w and also said Aramon won’t be out of the 1st 3
Arkle :
TM -> Cilaos Emery not yet a non-runner. Lalor is a serious horse. Doesn’t like Defi Du Seuil as he thinks that Triumph winners aren’t quick enough to win Arkles
CS -> Thinks Lalor wants further. Says that Defi Du Seuil is the one and that ALL of Phillip Hobbs’ horses were sick last year. Gives Us And Them as a big each-way chance
JJ -> Duc De Geneivres very good. Respects Paloma Blue and also likes Us And Them each-way.
JD -> According to the exchanges Cilaos Emery very doubtful. Reckons its a below average Arkle and will lay Lalor. Glen Forsa an each-way chance based on its Sandown race
Champion Hurdle :
TM -> The race of the season. Cant; split the top 3 in the betting.
CS -> Slight doubt re Apples Jade Cheltenham course form. Then gave a big shout out to Espoir Dallen each-way. Said that if the front 3 in the market get into it that it would pick up the pieces and that the only time it has lost is when it was sick.
JJ -> Worried that Apples Jade was beaten here last year. Likes Vardana Blue each-way based on beating Buveur Dair. Also thinks Sharjah could be the value in the race.
JD -> If Buveur Dair is back to his beat it wins. Cant have Apples Jade mentioned being beaten by Irving. Either Buveur Dair or something outside the front 3 wins.
Mares hurdle :
TM -> Benie Des Dieux could be the next Dawn Run. HOWEVER, he is adamant she won’t run unless the ground is soft and not alone here but at Punchestown as well
NOTE 1 : Tony Mullins then went on to say that Willie has no problem whatsoever turning out his horses into the field if they don’t get soft ground and waiting until next year, mentioned Benie Des Dieux, AL Boum photo, Carefully Selected
CS -> Elimay each-way chance
JJ -> Benie Des Dieux
JD -> Wont be laying the fave here.
NH Chase :
CS -> OK Corral has lots of class, conditions of this race have changed so more classier horses are winning
JD - > 2 horse race between OK Corral and Ballyward. Back them both for a profit
Ballymore :
CS -> thinks Champ should be in the Supreme. Very keen. Champagne Platinum stays very well.
TM -> Battleoverdoyen a worthy fave, unbeaten. City Island has had plenty of form boosts. Carefully Selected needs soft.
JJ -> Likes Sam’s Profile who ran very well behind Battleoverdoyen, dropped his legs in one of the hurdles but stayed on well.
JD -> Taking on the front 2 in the market.
Champion Chase:
All for Altior.
JD -> Took on Altior last year, won’t do it this year
RSA :
JB : Likes the front 2 in the market
TM : Barring accidents , fancies Santini
CS -> Thinks this is a 2 horse race and comes down to the jockeys and would rather be backing Davy Russell than Nico
JJ -> Out of the blue brought up Chriss Dream as an outsider. Said that Delta Work wins and that Topofthegame is too quirky.
Cross Country :
JB -> Tiger Roll
It was then that the mic was handed to former jockey and banks specialist turned Agent Ken Whelan and he said that the other horses won’t see Tiger Roll!! Gave FactofheMatter each-way as it had had a wind-op
CS -> Likes Auvergnat
TM -> Tiger Roll won’t be beaten
Bumper :
TM : Envoi Allen best horse in the race but worries that it may struggle to stay sound seen as its been running on rattling fast ground so far.
CS -> JP bought Blue Sari after Gowran win when Derek O’Connor said it was an aeroplane.
JJ -> Meticulous in good form and the one he’d pick to ride. Is going the right way and should place.
JB - > Negative for Envoi Allen
JLT :
Not a long time spent on this as the panel agreed that its hard to work out whats running here.
JB / CS / TM -> Defi Du Seuil wins
JJ -> Thinks Kalashnikov is crying out for the step up in trip here.
Ryanair :
TM : Un De Sceaux a standing dish at the festival. If it comes up soft, whatever beats him wins.
JJ -> Likes Monalee for this.
JB -> An open race, lots of doubt about runners. No bet
MC Joe Seward then mentioned Min and a few of the panel were of the opinion that it had a chance.
Stayers :
TM -> Negative with Faugheen just doesn’t see it as being at the top level to win here. Says Paisley Park is the one to beat
CS -> Paisley Park one of the BANKERS of the meeting
JJ -> Liked Paisley Parks performance in the Cleeve. Likes Barardys each-way
JB -> Whilst Paisley Park the most likely winner, is too short. Also mentioned Bacardys each-way
NOTE 2 :
It was here that out of the blue Tony Mullins said that he’d heard a big word for Walk To Freedom from the Jessie Harrington yard in the Pertemps!!!!
NOTE 3 :
Speaking of Jessies yard it was then discussed amongst the panel that word was Supasundae goes Champion hurdle and that they were struggling to get the weight off him
Mares Novices:
Most open renewal of this race. No odds on shot here
CS : Epitante will act on any ground but if the ground is still good , fancies Sancta Simona
TM -> Honeysuckle is the one to beat. You can’t beat a filly o the up curve, they can be anything. Market will tell.
JB -> Open race, watch the market
JJ -> If the rain comes and the ground gets soft, fancies Posh Trish, also gives a shoutout to LustforGlory that cost €240,000 out of a point to point
Triumph :
JJ : Said Joseph O’Brien has a very strong team of juvenile hurdlers and Sir Eric is by far the best of them. Also reckons the English form is inferior.
CS -> Sir Eric, banker of the meeting
NOTE 4
It was here that Tony Mullins said forget about backing Sire Erec for the Triumph, we should back it for the Champion hurdle!!! Reminded him of Sea Pigeon. The horse is the real deal.
JB -> Willing to take the fave on at the price.
Panel them mentioned a Paul Nicholls unnamed type that is fancied but didn’t give its name
Abert Bartlett :
JB-> Stronger race than usual.
CS -> Dickie Diver has lots of ability and is an each-way chance. Also said that Birchdale definitely runs here
TM -> Heard nothing from Closutton re Alloho. Relgate needs soft ground and then said that the form for these races is up in the air on account of the good-ground racing over the Winter
CS -> Likes Rhinestone each-way
NOTE 5
Again Tony Mullins was adamant that Wille won’t run any of his soft ground horses if the ground isn’t soft. No problem turning them out. Has done it before.
Gold Cup :
TM -> Can't have Percy at the price. Said its between Clan Des Obeaux and Native River but wouldn’t rule out Bristol De Mai each-way
CS -> Said that Presenting Percy and Clan Des Obeaux have the class in the race. If it comes up soft, Al Boum Photo each-way.
JB -> Doubts that Presenting Percy deserves to be as short as he is
JJ -> Comments how Native River was swishing its tail every time Dickie Johnson gave it a smack going up the hill last year and that horses remember tough races like that.
Enda Bolger then joined the panel and said that Tiger Roll was unbeatable!!. Also re his fave in the Foxhunters Standupandfight that it would be a better horse next year and that there were better horses in the race. He fancied Caid Du Berlais
Foxhunters :
JJ : Fancied Kruzhlinin
Handicap Bets:
Charles Byrnes horse Off You Go runs in wither the County hurdle or the Coral Cup
CS : Sire Du Berlais - Pertemps
TM : Walk To Freedom - Pertemps
JJ : Early Doors - Martin Pipe
Charity Bets :
TM : NAP - Benie Des Dieux BISMARCK : Presenting Percy
Chairyt Bet Double : Benie Des Dieux/Sir Eric
CS : NAP - Presenting Percy BISMARCK : Clan Des Obeaux
JJ : NAP - Sir Erec BISMARCK : Santini (RSA)
JB : NAP - Ballyward. BISMARCK : Apples Jade
Great night had by all and plenty of money raised for Crumlin children’s hospital. Big shout-out to MC Joe Seward.
TimRiggins
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Great write up, theporge.
Thanks very much, mate.
Does Charlie Swan want to put Champagne Platinum & DDS up for anything else
Thanks very much, mate.
Does Charlie Swan want to put Champagne Platinum & DDS up for anything else