Cheltenham 2020 - Forum Yankee - March

[Middle_Of_March]

Paisley Park - 4/1 for the Stayers Hurdle
Tiger Roll - 5/2 for the Cross Country
Altior - 3/1 for the Champion Chase
Samcro - 16/1 for the JLT
Klassical Dream - 16/1 for the Arkle


They’re my five early suggestions.

Any others?

 

[Deleted member 4957]

Buveur D’Air, will only be going to the champion hurdle and connections out to prove their confidence for this years race was not misplaced, I’ve sen some 7/1...

 

[Hurricane fly]

Klassical Dream - 16/1 for the Supreme

Any others?

An unprecedented double!

Quite like Cilaos Emery or Le Richebourg for the QMCC at 20/1 e/w

Delta Work is as big as 33/1 for the GC, give no he lost his length being squeezed at the last of day he’s much too big aswell

 

[Middle_Of_March]

An unprecedented double!

Quite like Cilaos Emery or Le Richebourg for the QMCC at 20/1 e/w

Delta Work is as big as 33/1 for the GC, give no he lost his length being squeezed at the last of day he’s much too big aswell

Ha - edited that now. :highly_amused:

 

[riccirich]

Allaho 20/1 rsa
Also has anyone seen any prices for douvan for next year? He'll still be only 10 year old

 

[CJW]

Where's KLASSICAL DREAM 16/1 for the arkle?

 

[lloydy]

A Plus Tard in the Ryanair 20-1

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

Buveur D'air in the champion would be my selection at 8/1. Still only 9 at next year's festival, he isn't over the hill yet.

 

[Kevloaf]

Buveur D’Air, will only be going to the champion hurdle and connections out to prove their confidence for this years race was not misplaced, I’ve sen some 7/1...

More 5 year olds have won the CH than 9 year olds ....

Heard that on RP today :highly_amused:

 

[Kevloaf]

Buveur D'air in the champion would be my selection at 8/1. Still only 9 at next year's festival, he isn't over the hill yet.

More 5 year olds have won the CH than 9 year olds ....

We KNOW how rubbish the 5yo's are.



Living in the past you two

Espoir D'allen would get my vote over Buveur D'old

 

[Kevloaf]

Also, there is ONLY Katchit as a 5yo winner of the CH that DIDN'T go on to be a multiple winner.


Doesn't always pay to go beyond the obvious

 

[Kevloaf]

Altior isn't a good bet IMO at 3/1 when we aren't CERTAIN about the target.


I understand why it's likely he goes for a 3rd CH, but he's not going to have an 'ideal' 2 mile chaser prep for it next year, 3/1 isn't good value.

 

[Kevloaf]

Defi Du Seuil doesn't have a whole lot of negatives.

Double figure price (10/1) - the obvious target. The target the trainer mentioned.

Two time festival winner (notably on the 'new' course)

Frodon to beat... pfft.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

Altior isn't a good bet IMO at 3/1 when we aren't CERTAIN about the target.


I understand why it's likely he goes for a 3rd CH, but he's not going to have an 'ideal' 2 mile chaser prep for it next year, 3/1 isn't good value.

Altior isn’t giving up a third championship for a Ryanair and whilst I have always been a huge fan of the horse even I can’t make a case for a Gold Cup tilt, so if he’s fit and well come March 2020 I can only see him heading for one race

 

[Kevloaf]

Altior isn’t giving up a third championship for a Ryanair and whilst I have always been a huge fan of the horse even I can’t make a case for a Gold Cup tilt, so if he’s fit and well come March 2020 I can only see him heading for one race

I know he isn't going for the Ryanair...

but if wins the King George, do they rule out a Gold Cup?

If he doesn't wina King George, he looks a helluva lot more vulnerable than he did before he ran?




You can't make a case for a Gold Cup tilt? You cannot make a case?
He's being aimed at the King George Ista. It's hardly a leap of faith is it.... if he wins that like the stayer we all think he is, then it surely becomes an option?

 

[Middle_Of_March]

I know he isn't going for the Ryanair...

but if wins the King George, do they rule out a Gold Cup?

If he doesn't wina King George, he looks a helluva lot more vulnerable than he did before he ran?




You can't make a case for a Gold Cup tilt? You cannot make a case?
He's being aimed at the King George Ista. It's hardly a leap of faith is it.... if he wins that like the stayer we all think he is, then it surely becomes an option?

The difference between a 3m King George at Kempton when they go a good gallop for three miles and a 3m 2f Gold Cup at Cheltenham when they get racing a very long way out is world apart in my opinion.

I think Altior wins the KG and then Henderson allows the horse his chance at history and he wins his third Champion Chase like the superstar that he is.

Edit - And the Ryanair isn’t even a question.

 

[Kevloaf]

The difference between a 3m King George at Kempton when they go a good gallop for three miles and a 3m 2f Gold Cup at Cheltenham when they get racing a very long way out is world apart in my opinion.

I think Altior wins the KG and then Henderson allows the horse his chance at history and he wins his third Champion Chase like the superstar that he is.

Edit - And the Ryanair isn’t even a question.

It isn't 'a world' apart though is it?

A world apart would mean no horse has ever done both. Enough horses have won a King George then had a run in a Gold Cup.


Whether he wins a Gold Cup isn't even the question... it's IF he wins the King George, is it POSSIBLE then go got the Gold Cup.?

I'd say it is.



Good luck to you with your 3/1 shots in March 2019 for March 2020.

It's bonkers, you're all bonkers.



Think about what you're saying?


How short would Altior need to go off to make this bet worthwhile now?



If you are even halfway sensible you have a staking plan between 1 to 10 points.

10 pts at 3/1 isn't going to make or break a festival.


100 pts on now, too much risk on injury.



I know this is the yankee thread blah blah, but a poor value horse is poor value whether you slap it in with 3 others or not.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

It isn't 'a world' apart though is it?

A world apart would mean no horse has ever done both. Enough horses have won a King George then had a run in a Gold Cup.


Whether he wins a Gold Cup isn't even the question... it's IF he wins the King George, is it POSSIBLE then go got the Gold Cup.?

I'd say it is.



Good luck to you with your 3/1 shots in March 2019 for March 2020.

It's bonkers, you're all bonkers.



Think about what you're saying?


How short would Altior need to go off to make this bet worthwhile now?



If you are even halfway sensible you have a staking plan between 1 to 10 points.

10 pts at 3/1 isn't going to make or break a festival.


100 pts on now, too much risk on injury.



I know this is the yankee thread blah blah, but a poor value horse is poor value whether you slap it in with 3 others or not.

I’ve just realised the point your making here.

My shouts on the first post were just names I was throwing out there. I wasn’t suggesting any of them.

I just wanted to start the thread off with some potentially popular horses.

 

[Kevloaf]

I’ve just realised the point your making here.

My shouts on the first post were just names I was throwing out there. I wasn’t suggesting any of them.

I just wanted to start the thread off with some potentially popular horses.

Haha fair enough....

My point is, even if Altior turns up ON THE DAY in the QMCC, at 1/2 - I still don't think it was a good bet with what we know now at 3/1.


Risk of injury, target question marks, vulnerable in his last start - are all enough to stop anyone thinking he's a good bet at 3/1.




I'd be amazed if I'm in the minority thinking 3/1 about a horse 12 months out is too short...

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Haha fair enough....

My point is, even if Altior turns up ON THE DAY in the QMCC, at 1/2 - I still don't think it was a good bet with what we know now at 3/1.


Risk of injury, target question marks, vulnerable in his last start - are all enough to stop anyone thinking he's a good bet at 3/1.




I'd be amazed if I'm in the minority thinking 3/1 about a horse 12 months out is too short...

I’d probably whack him in the occasional free bet multiple.

But no. I wouldn’t spend cash on him at 3/1. With 12 months until the race.

My only antepost bets atm would be Pic D’Orhy at 25s for any race which I’ve done and any double figure price on Klassical Dream for the Arkle.