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Cheltenham 2019 Ante-Post bets

For those who buy it, One Jump Ahead is available to buy on Mark Howard's website today. Probably the best £10 I'll be spending this month.:devilish:
 
For those who buy it, One Jump Ahead is available to buy on Mark Howard's website today. Probably the best £10 I'll be spending this month.:devilish:

Cheers. For every Apple's Shakira they'll be a Stay Humble :highly_amused:
 
Snared another free bet off Sky yesterday and invested in a Penhill/Santini ew double, 7/1 and 10/1, wil probably look to press this too....

I've got them both singled up and doubled with others, need to get them together, cheers for reminding me!!
 
Does anyone have an idea of the record of horses injured during the previous season, to then win at the following festival?
 
William Hill have added TIGER ROLL in the Cross Country to their Cheltz ante post list and he is 5/1.
Going to have a few quid on asap.
 
William Hill have added TIGER ROLL in the Cross Country to their Cheltz ante post list and he is 5/1.
Going to have a few quid on asap.

Disappointing that Betfair haven’t priced this up yet. Had it up in the middle of summer last year (if not earlier).
 
According to the Betfair Forum Cross Country antepost will be created in Novemember
 
Does anyone have an idea of the record of horses injured during the previous season, to then win at the following festival?

Good question that, and one I’m sure members with a little more time on their hands will answer....
 
My mate just requested Samcro (CH), Altior (QM) and Laurina (any) and it was priced at 33s. Wasn't expecting it to be that big a price
 
My mate just requested Samcro (CH), Altior (QM) and Laurina (any) and it was priced at 33s. Wasn't expecting it to be that big a price

That would make Samcro (CH) about 4/1 I think, so whilst it seems big it’s probably about right
 
My mate just requested Samcro (CH), Altior (QM) and Laurina (any) and it was priced at 33s. Wasn't expecting it to be that big a price

I think you'd be mental to take 4/1 about a horse that isn't fav for a race this far out.

I would find it pretty hard to justify a single bet on a fav at 4/1 at this stage (before the season) so 4/1 for Samcro who is (justifiably not fav) is not something to start getting giddy over and forcing into your ante post portfolio IMO at this stage
 
I think you'd be mental to take 4/1 about a horse that isn't fav for a race this far out.

I would find it pretty hard to justify a single bet on a fav at 4/1 at this stage (before the season) so 4/1 for Samcro who is (justifiably not fav) is not something to start getting giddy over and forcing into your ante post portfolio IMO at this stage

I'm not that tempted into the price myself. I just read your CH thread post and I do share a similar opinion. It just seemed big at face value
 
I'm not that tempted into the price myself. I just read your CH thread post and I do share a similar opinion. It just seemed big at face value

Haha, to be fair that is a little tongie in cheek, as I do like him.... but it is still September and it's good to provoke some opinions this far out :p
 
Samcro

Elliott told At The Races: “There’s no decision made yet, to be honest. I’ll have to talk to Michael and Eddie (O’Leary) over the next couple of weeks and make a decision on what we’re going to do.

“I like to start a lot of my horses off up in Down Royal, ground permitting, and that’s where he’ll start off, over hurdles or fences.”
 
I've had so many thoughts regarding bets for the festival already, which is ridiculous, as I haven't seen one horse take to the track that is in my current portfolio yet.

I'm just going to leave a few thoughts, based mostly on market activity but also gut instinct at this present time, here. I have not backed a load yet, however I am ahead of where I was last year in terms of stakes.

My main focus has been the recent market move on Samcro for the Champion Hurdle, how could it not be, but the stuff that interests me more is the knock on effect this has on other horses, do targets change based on one horse? Personally I don't think so, but surely it must cross some trainers minds?

So, Melon, a horse we probably still haven't seen the best of yet, surely goes chasing this season? Couldn't beat Buveur D'air, and now potentially has Samcro to take on as well, not forgetting Summerville Boy of course, who should not be discounted. IF he goes chasing, surely it is then the Arkle. A horse not too dissimilar to Footpad really, and bar the Triumph/Supreme difference, have taken the same 2 years hurdling, that now could be the time to switch discipline?

Laurina, my star, I think she is a future Champion Hurdle winner (assuming she does not go chasing), there, I said it! IF Melon goes for the Arkle then Laurina takes the Mares' as she likes. Benie Des Dieux has already been touted as going chasing again, and Apple's Jade, well she has it all to prove again after a somewhat low key 2018 (there were excuses, mind). Limini has the potential to return, but has been running on the flat in recent weeks/months and unsure a long season is what she wants.

I don't have too many thoughts regarding any novice hurdles just yet, though excited to see Commander Of Fleet, Danny Kirwan, Brewin'upastorm, Annamix and Breaken to name but a few.

I think Colin Tizzard has the potential horses to have a very solid Cheltenham Festival. His Novice Chase team looks strong. A favoured one of mine being Vision Des Flos, he also has Slate House (I think a few have brought him up in the Arkle thread), Lostintranslation & Kilbricken Storm (hope he goes down the NH Chase route), I'd be very surprised should he not at least find himself a couple of solid placed efforts and possibly a winner or 2 amongst them. Of course, aside from the novices he also has last seasons Gold Cup winner, Native River to complete what could potentially be successful team for the festival.

The Novice Chase division itself is very exciting, even if Samcro does stick to hurdles. My only concern with it is the Arkle already looks quite an underwhelming bunch, in a race that will only likely field 5 or 6 runners as seems to be the case in recent times. My case for Melon above is also based on lack of runners, with bookmakers paying 3 places until the day, when, like season we end up with just the 2 places being paid. I actually think the race I am currently looking forward to the most in the Novice Chase division is the RSA. I think it looks a solid bunch already and usually does not disappoint. Gigginstown have a whole host they could chuck at it, Cracking Smart, Champagne Classic, Blow By Blow & Delta Work are 4 of the more likely runners. Santini for Nicky Henderson is obviously really well thought of and the betting suggests that too. Topofthegame for Paul Nicholls could also come into his own now going chasing, not to mention numerous other horses that could potentially take to this race. One thing I am not convinced of is Next Destination heading here, even though he looked as though he needed 3 miles at Cheltenham.

The JLT will be wide open should Samcro not turn up, I don't have a strong opinion on this one yet though as mentioned previously, potentially one of the Tizzard horses could spring up here, as to which one is anyone's guess.

I could ramble on all day, but should probably get on with some work, so will leave it there for now, please find holes in any of what I have wrote, it's all about opinions and discussion, so I am certainly open for that.

Oh, and I wasn't sure where to post this so please move to the correct thread if a problem being in this one ;)
 
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"One thing I am not convinced of is Next Destination heading here, even though he looked as though he needed 3 miles at Cheltenham".

Nice post CoD, but can I ask what makes you think the above statement? Do you think he may stay hurdling and be aimed at the Stayers, in the same way Bacardys was after he didn't take to fences?
 
"One thing I am not convinced of is Next Destination heading here, even though he looked as though he needed 3 miles at Cheltenham".

Nice post CoD, but can I ask what makes you think the above statement? Do you think he may stay hurdling and be aimed at the Stayers, in the same way Bacardys was after he didn't take to fences?

I'll be honest, I struggle to nail Next Destination to any one particular race, but unless we see otherwise on the track I really don't see him going for the RSA, I can't be more concrete on why, my instinct tells me to leave him alone for now, there are more solid bets at the head of the market, or were, before Santini had been cut today. I think Next Destination is in for 4 or 5 different markets currently, and sits prominently in at least 3 of them, he'll be a bookies horse until nearer the time.
 
“He could easily go chasing next season but I’ll have to discuss that with Mr Denmark. He’ll probably start off chasing and if it doesn’t work out he can go back hurdling. He could be a top class hurdler in the staying division.”

Just found this after his race at Punchestown. So yes, could end up anywhere!
 
I agree with a lot of that CoD.

I'd perhaps be less inclined to think Melon will go chasing based on Samcro entering the division though...

Ruby/Mullins don't own/ride BVD or Samcro, so taking "their best" horse out of the running doesn't make their chance of winning it any easier (obviously) .... I think Willie's yard considers how to split their own pack first... for example, if they knew they wanted to have a tilt at the CH with Laurina, it could 'free up' Melon to go chasing. Even that isn't how it works though (I'd imagine), as you need more than one dart at each race! I imagine they aim Melon at the CH again as well as Laurina and split the deck accordingly when we get much much closer and key trials have been won/lost!