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Cheltenham 2018 Ante post bets

Talking of Cause of Causes being a possible 'banker', I do wonder if Elliott might look at his 2 star mares in Apples Jade and Fayonagh and look to give them the easier targets at the festival. One of the reasons Mullins has been able to be top trainer in so many of the most recent festivals is because he has been able to farm some races year on year.

If you were to take Cause of Causes in the Cross Country, Apples Jade in The Mares and Fayonagh in the Mares Novice it's very hard to see any horse beat them for favouritism or for them not to turn up with a very very strong chance in each race which could give Elliott his best chance of getting 3 wins at the festival before you go into the grade 1's and handicaps.

With that in mind, is the 6/1 on offer with Betfair for the Mares Novice a price worth taking for Fayonagh? Only 5 firms have the raced priced up yet but it's hard to think anyone will go bigger.

She needs to transfer her bumper form over hurdles but she was a level above all last year. In the past Mullins has been the one to farm the Mares races and you know he will have a good few mares to line up the race but Fayonagh does look something special. She did of course take on the boys in both Spring Festival bumpers so you'd think connections wouldn't be fazed in targeting the Neptune or Supreme however Elliott looks to have a strong hand in that regard already with Blow by Blow and particularly Samcro who I think would be the most likely for those races.

We've never really had 'Gordon Elliott Bingo' before but with him winning top trainer at the last festival and coming so close to the Irish trainers title I wonder if it could start coming into play...
 
I agree with that Jono. I think I posted on here after Fayonagh's bumper win about where she was likely to go and the general thought was the Mares Novices. Since then many good things have been said on here and elsewhere about Samcro. The Mares Novices could easily be the option for her and she wouldn't be 6/1 on the Thursday
 
Everybody has probably seen this already but:
“We’ve got some to come out, but I’d say there’s one that I like called CHACUN POUR SOI . He was very impressive in France and he could be a novice chaser this year – he’s one to keep an eye on.”

Many won't take much notice of Ricci but always good to hear some updates from him for me. Few interesting snippets there particularly that Douvan was never quite right last year.

Chacun Pour Soi has been added to the tracker. I see his last race was behind King's Socks, who i'm right in thinking is a very well regarded horse? And now with David Pipe. (He was 14/1 for the Betvictor Gold Cup last year in the antepost markets at one stage)
 
Haha solid drubk bets those Kev. Might aswell round it to 10pts and have a 1.5pt double on Cause of Causes and Buveur D'air at 49/1.

Sound advice that :encouragement:

I agree with that Jono. I think I posted on here after Fayonagh's bumper win about where she was likely to go and the general thought was the Mares Novices. Since then many good things have been said on here and elsewhere about Samcro. The Mares Novices could easily be the option for her and she wouldn't be 6/1 on the Thursday

Yeah, as much as it would be good to see her take on the boys in either the Supreme or Neptune I would think it would be the most likely. Much may depend on Blow by Blow who has some doubts after injury? Certainly wouldn't be near 6/1 on the day if she lined up. Mullins may prevent her being so short but could easily be a shade odds on
 
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219/1 with 365... for the Gordon Elliott 'Easy Target' treble.... Fayonah may run in the mares novice race because Codd will want as many winners as he can too! I appreciate he wouldn't be out of place in the Supreme/Neptune BUT, he is on 6 winners at the festival and as a part owner (I think) of Fayonah, I think he'll want the WIN! It isn't like her novice hurdling career is the be-all-and-end-all anyway...

1 pt e/w trixie (8 pts total) would be 28pts if they all placed, and 365 pts for the win :triumphant: tempting indeed!

***Apples Jade and Fayonah for the Elliott mares double... as much as I am a fan of VVM and Limini, AJ should improve too and sets the standard doesn't she?.... multiple winners aren't exactly rare in the race...

6/1 is standout with BF for Fayonagh as you say and its a 27/1 double.... I can certainly see the logic.



Somebody stop me :disgust:


By the way, the 49/1 double on BvD and CoC I already have 2 pts on... plus they are the main two in at least 5 yankee's haha
 
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By the way, the 49/1 double on BvD and CoC I already have 2 pts on... plus they are the main two in at least 5 yankee's haha

About to pop 2 pts on myself. What are said yankee's? By the way Kev clear some messages trying to PM you haha
 
About to pop 2 pts on myself. What are said yankee's? By the way Kev clear some messages trying to PM you haha

Done - sorry - never think to check there.

The yankee's are pretty much combinations of:

Buveur D'air, Cause of Causes, Our Duke and then anything else, Nichols Canyon, Altior, Apples Jade snook in to one...
 
Done - sorry - never think to check there.

The yankee's are pretty much combinations of:

Buveur D'air, Cause of Causes, Our Duke and then anything else, Nichols Canyon, Altior, Apples Jade snook in to one...

Some good yankees there. Buveur D'air, CoC and Nichols Canyon trixie. Sounds good to me
 
Anyone have any thoughts in Mystic Theatre? Novice hurdler for Mullins (same owner as Killultagh Vic) and won 3 hurdle races (albeit at odds on each time) over the last month or so on the bridle. I see she is 16/1 for the mares novice race - Ruby rode her last time and said

“She travelled well, she jumped very well. I suppose on form, on past performances, she was entitled to win. I couldn’t be happier with how she did it.”

When asked about Down Royal as a destination for the Festival of Racing in early November, he replied: “You would have to think so for a filly that has won three. That’s where you would be hoping you would end up.

“It’s the first weekend in November and we are only at the end of August so we have all of September and October so I imagine she’ll go somewhere in the middle.

“There doesn’t seem to be any need to go up in trip. She has plenty of gears.”


The reason I am interested her, and particularly the 16/1 quotes, are because two of the 3 races she won so far, we're won by Airlie Beach in 2016... who was my main fancy for the Mares Novice race before Let's Dance got drafted in....
 
I'd be amazed if Samcro isn't in the 40. He gets an interview with Ricci so it will be highly informative if Annamix makes the 40 also.

Just topped up on Samcro - Any Race (2pts) and Annamix - Supreme (1pt)

Does anyone know when Mark Howards book will be sent out? CAN'T WAIT!
 
According to his website it'll be dispatched early this week. I'm hoping it lands through the door on Wednesday.
 
Had a little more on Cause of Causes today.

Finians Oscar / Buveur D'air / Altior treble also placed.
 
Henderson and Fry stable tours courtesy of The Final Flight:

https://thefinalflightpublications.co.uk/nicky-henderson/


When you’re the Champion Trainer with over a 100 horses at your disposal, pinpointing a stable star is no easy task, neither is shortlisting the main contenders that fill the many boxes at the Seven Barrows base synonymous with champions past and present and home to the great Nicky Henderson.

Asked how the main man was and how he had enjoyed his summer, the reigning champion simply replied “Which one”.

However there can only be one horse that comes to the forefront of the left hand side of one’s National Hunt brain, the exciting bundle of Chasing potential that is Altior. As a novice he has already beaten most of his main rivals in the two mile division, and this season he builds up to a Wednesday afternoon in March and his crowning as the superstar of the one lap specialists.

“He’s summered well and looks super. Now it’s about getting him ready to match what he achieved last year when he was a star. Everything of course has to go right but we’re looking forward to it.”

All roads this year lead towards following in the footsteps of Henderson’s previous Champion Chase winners, the great Sprinter Sacre, Finian’s Rainbow and Remittance Man, who have all landed the premier test of a chasing speedster over two miles of old course jumping.

However the way he gets there remain fluid, despite an opening trip to Sandown locked in;

“The Tingle Creek is the obvious starting point, we could have started off in the Shloer Chase at Cheltenham but he likes Sandown and there isn’t much time as I would like between the two races.”

“After that he could possibly defend his Game Spirit at Newbury or go to Kempton over Christmas for the Desert Orchid”

Although there is little doubt that the superstar seven-year-old’s season will be geared towards the back end of the Season;

“He will definitely be busier towards the back end of the season once spring comes around. There’s the extra week gap between Cheltenham and Aintree this year and so there is the possibility of trying 2m4f in the Melling which I think would be no problem for him, and then he will probably head back to Sandown for the Celebration Chase.”

Held on an equally high Seven Barrows pedestal is his reigning champion hurdler Buveur D’Air;

“He was impressive all the way through last year, even in his chases, and it was a difficult call to return to hurdles.”

“It could easily have been him staying over fences, and Altior could have done the same but it was a bit of a brave decision that paid off. As you know the jungle drums were rumbling, but at the point we made the call Annie Power and Faugheen were still in the picture and we could have made ourselves look foolish, but this fella proved how good he really is and he really is a star.”

“He’s right up there with the best of them, definitely worthy of a place in Binocular’s league in terms of talent. A very good horse.”

A horse which is clearly better on softer ground, underfoot conditions could determine the route he takes to defend his title. You also have to throw in the mix his stablemate, the evergreen My Tent Or Yours;

“My god what a legend of a horse, and I would love to see him win the Grade One he deserves.”

“He could have been regarded as one of the best hurdlers I’ve had if he had won instead of finishing second so many times! And it was so cruel last year as he ran like a spring chicken in them two races.”

In comparison to his younger rival, his best performances have come when the ground is at its best, and therefore ground conditions could be the biggest indicator as to where we see the two green and gold competitors in the run up to the Cheltenham Festival;

“My Tent is much better on better ground, whereas Buveur prefers it a little softer so that will dictate where they go I imagine. I have to keep them apart as I can’t do it to My Tent anymore!”

Henderson also has a leading Gold Cup contender back in his yard with the enigmatic Might Bite, who went from lay of the Festival, to the saviour of the staying chase division in two exhilarating breakneck laps of the Prestbury Park undulations.

Henderson is optimistic if not getting carried away when talking about his potential;

“He’s got to step up and play with the big boys whether he likes it or not now so we shall soon find out how good he really can be.”

He is also looking to capture the perfect Christmas present by returning to the scene of his dramatic final fence fall last year;

“The King George would be the main aim, followed by the Gold Cup and obviously the Jockey Club dangle that huge carrot by putting on the bonus. But just because the objective is Kempton and Christmas doesn’t mean you have to go to Haydock and there is other options we can look at.”

Does he have any fears about returning to the Sunbury venue?

“He enjoys Kempton, the race he was running last Christmas was both impressive visually and stats wise in terms of times and speed figures. I have no doubts at all about taking him back there and think it could be the track that brings out the best in him.”

Giving the Champion Trainer the opportunity to land all four Championship races at the Festival is the resurgent L’ami Serge. A horse Henderson beams about and holds in the highest esteem following his Auteuil triumph, which saw him throw his hat firmly into the Stayers Hurdle ring;

“The trainer must be some fool to run a horse in the County Hurdle that wants three miles on soft ground in a French Champion Hurdle!”

“He got better and better as the season went on last year if you conveniently forget Ayr. When he won at Sandown he ran away with Daryl all the way round so we thought we had nothing to lose giving three miles a try. He was unlucky to just get touched off in the Prix la Barka but at least we knew we were on the right track with him, and Daryl gave him a peach of a ride in the Champion Hurdle itself.”

“We might not start over three miles with him but that is where he is almost certain to end up and you would love to think he could be a serious player in that staying hurdling division.”

Having landed two of the three novice chase contests at the most recent edition of The Festival, denied scooping all three by the monster Yorkhill, when beating the brave and battling little Top Notch in the JLT. Henderson looks to be assembling an equally strong squad to go to war with this term, led by the Grech and Parkin owned pair of River Wylde and Constantine Bay, who look to be Arkle and RSA bound respectively.

Speaking of the pair Henderson said;

“I’m seriously tempted to try Novice chasing with River Wylde and keep Lough Derg Spirit over hurdles. I’m sure he would get a little further but he’s got plenty of pace so no real need to go any further than two miles and speed tests should suit.”

“Whereas Constantine Bay just looks perfectly made for staying chasing. I felt sorry for him at the Festival as he was running a great race in the Albert Bartlett when being brought to a standstill at the second last and even though I don’t think he would have won, I think he would have definitely been second and you had to love the way he was powering up the hill that day when some horses would have given up.”

Grech and Parkin also hold a leading figure in the Seven Barrows novice hurdle ranks for the coming season with their ultra-consistent bumper horse Claimantakinforgan;

“His bumper form was rock solid and you would imagine he’ll be right up there if reproducing those form levels over hurdles.”

“I hate the Cheltenham bumper with a passion as a rule, but he deserved to run there having won at Haydock and Ascot and was definitely near the top of the tree when it came to bumper performers out their last season.”

“He’s a quick horse so I see no reason why two miles wouldn’t be his trip, although he did win a point to point over three so stepping up wouldn’t be completely out of the equation.”

There is also hope that Pym, sent by his handler to the Ayr bumper he has landed in the past with the likes of Sprinter Sacre, can make into a top novice contender this term;

“I couldn’t fault him at Ayr, he was visually impressive and beat some useful yardsticks that day. It’s a race we always like to target with something we think highly of, we took Sprinter Sacre there for his first outing, and it was nice that he showed what we were hoping for.”

Henderson heads into the new season as the clear man to beat. A live chance of picking up all four feature races at the Cheltenham Festival, and a King George there to be won. If this wasn’t horse racing then a successful title defence would be a foregone formality. It could be a season to savour for the master off Seven Barrows, Henderson’s Heroes are just getting warmed up.
 
https://thefinalflightpublications.co.uk/harry-fry/

Harry Fry, the master of Manor Farm and the man in control of one of the most burgeoning strings in the sport. The talent stabled in Seaborough grows in depth by the year as people latch on to the bandwagon rolling down the M5 to deepest Dorset, where the progressive handler is working his way towards the top of the training tree.

Fry year by year is proving himself to be one of the most astute brains in the business. Last season saw him produce his best season to date, breaking the £1million prize money barrier for the first time.

Still in possession of his youthful Head Boy charm and poise that we have become accustomed to since first coming to our attention as one of Paul Nicholl’s most trusted lieutenants during the halcyon days of Ditcheat. You would imagine a trip to the pub with Fry would be not only entertaining but an educational experience too.

Military precision is the order of the day at Manor Farm and no stone is left unturned in channelling the right path to the top for each and every horse.

There is no question with Fry that it is all about quality rather than quantity. Aggressive campaigning for the right character is mixed with careful nurturing for others which has seen Fry produce some of the most improved and most exciting horses in training over the last few seasons.

The Stable is led into action once again by the diminutive stayer Unowhatimeanharry, the horse which broke the upwardly mobile handler’s Cheltenham Festival duck when claiming the Albert Bartlett in 2016 and went from strength to strength last term.

The 9-year-old JP McManus representative was the division leader last season winning four times. However, there was an overriding disappointment as the apple of Fry’s eye failed to sparkle on his coronation at the Cheltenham Festival, managing only a battling third as Ruby Walsh and Nicholls Canyon swooped;

“That was so gutting to see him not give a true account of himself, but we suspect he was not 100% and he wasn’t himself that day.”

That was the second reversal of the week for Fry with a well fancied favourite, following the defeat of the ill-fated Neon Wolf in the Neptune, but it was the defeat of Harry which hurt the most;

“It’s disappointing when you build up to one day, and obviously this was Harry’s moment and we had high hopes for him. I was just gutted for the horse really that we wasn’t able to bring out his A game.”

However, Fry is quick to remind us how he managed to turn the tables on his Prestbury Park conqueror in their Punchestown rematch;

“To bounce back like he did at Punchestown is the mark of a true champion.”

With his authority restored after that trip across the Irish Sea, Harry looks to be the one to beat once again in the staying division, with all roads leading to righting his Cheltenham wrong this time around;

“We will be working towards an identical path back to Cheltenham as last year. Starting at Newbury then to the Long Walk at Ascot, the Cleeve at Cheltenham and then back to the Cheltenham Festival.”

And does he feel Harry still processes that knockout blow he delivered so often last term?

“He’s summered well and come back in great form and were looking forward to what he’s got to offer this time around”

A student of the sport and a shrewd placer of his horses, Fry selects races with expert pinpoint accuracy to maximise the strengths and potential in each of his growing string.

He has a plan for every horse, reminiscent of his great teacher Paul Nicholls – who along with the many notable big Grade One successes – had the uncanny knack of winning the big prize on a Tuesday afternoon at Exeter.

One horse which typifies this is Any Drama, who despite failing to make it to the top of the class in novice ranks last season, has a bullseye firmly placed on a Sunday in the middle of February;

“He needs it soft so we’ll be picking up what we can around 2m4f when conditions suit, with the main aim potentially the National Spirit at Fontwell.”

A mid-winter feature Fry firmly has his sights set on is the Ladbrokes Trophy, or to mere mortals, the Hennessy. Looking to fly the Seaborough flag at Newbury is the highly talented, if not delicate, American, a horse the handler has lofty ambitions for;

“He looks to have a great profile for the Ladbrokes Trophy off a mark of 157. I would be disappointed if he wasn’t to go close off that mark and we will be using that as a guide to see if we stay down the handicap route or take a step up into the top staying chases if conditions are suitable.”

As always, Fry’s Manor Farm base sees more inmates arrive by the month. This summer he has acquired Art Of Payroll from Sandra Hughes in Ireland and the talented Kylemore Lough from Kerry Lee, a horse he is very much looking forward to working with.

“He did very well with Kerry Lee and he comes to me having already won a Grade One. He’s one I’m looking forward to training and getting started with and at the moment I’m still getting to know the horse.”

Tragically Neon Wolf is no longer with us, and it’s a loss felt by the whole of the National Hunt fraternity, but hopefully with the abundance of exciting youngsters available at his disposal, one of them will be able to step up and fill the void.

Leading the list of contenders are the novice pair of If the Cap Fits and Bullionaire.

Of the Paul and Clare Rooney trained youngster, who has novice hurdling in his sights following his fifth in the Aintree bumper, Fry said;

“He look’s a highly promising horse. He’s schooled well and jumps for fun.”

He’s also just as bullish about Bullionaire, who caught many peoples eye last season;

“He’s a lovely 4-year-old and and he has done very well over the summer. He’ll definitely make into a useful horse in time and should be up for winning.”

Meanwhile Drumcliff and Minella Awards could have a date with the larger obstacles on the agenda at some point this term;

“Drumcliff will jump a fence, and that may be this season, but we will go for the Silver Trophy at Chepstow first and try pick up a hurdle and then see where we go from then”

“Minella Awards is certainly going to be a chaser at some point and he’s one we will have ready to go in the Fixed Brush Hurdle at Haydock which will tell us more as to whether we stick to hurdles or hopefully, if everything goes according to plan, sent down the novice chasing route.”

It certainly looks all systems go for another successful season for the master of Manor Farm, and it won’t be long till Harry is in the news once again. You know what I mean?
 
“The King George would be the main aim, followed by the Gold Cup and obviously the Jockey Club dangle that huge carrot by putting on the bonus. But just because the objective is Kempton and Christmas doesn’t mean you have to go to Haydock and there is other options we can look at.”

Not too positive in a view of the Triple Crown.
 
Thanks for posting those Jono. I might top up my bet on American for the Hennessy after reading that.
 
Thanks for posting those Jono. I might top up my bet on American for the Hennessy after reading that.

I just had a panic because I couldn't find the odds. Forgot they've changed the name!

I will be making my first ever trip to Newbury for this race.