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Cheltenham 2017 Antepost Bets

Faugheen_Machine said:
NJH could have a good first day. Charlie Parcs, Altior and Buveur D'air could all go off fav.
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...throwing Might Bite into the list.

Another to consider is Kayf Grace 10/1 for the Mares Novice. The only horse to inflict a defeat over Augusta Kate (when still standing) since after last years fest.

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Sorry F_M, I didn't notice you was referring to day 1.
 
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Mytentoryours1 said:
On the subject of Hendo. I think the 6/1 about Consul De Thaix looks a good each way bet in the Betfair Hurdle.

At longer odds I also Gassin Golf. Travelled well last time but didn't see out 2m 4f. Won a handicap by 4.5 lengths off 135 at Newbury last March and now down to 133. Kerry's horses now in better form than when he last ran in November.
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Agreed. I'm so all over this fella for Saturday, it's likely to get its ground and my only worry is the trip as I think it's crying out for 2m 4f . I have actually had a few quid on it for the Coral Cup at 16s so want it to get up and win by half a length on Saturday and not blow it's handicap mark.

I'm also on Brain Power Ew at 40s for CH and that is a serious contender for Ch if we get good ground. Brain Power is the only reason that Consul De Thaix is not rated at least 10lb higher here. Brain Power would smash this field up of Consul De Thaix current mark.

Something is going to have to be seriously smart to beat it on Saturday in my opinion. Not been as confident about one like this in a good while.
 
I'm sure we'll discuss the ground to death nearer the time but day one will have some juice in it, if they forecast a dry week you can bet your life it'll be on the slow side of good, Wed ground likely to be quicker...
 
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Just looked at my book, Yorkhill would only ruin about 4 bets, a lot better than I imagined
 
Zoowraa said:
I wouldn't be too sure about Mullins top trainer. I posted a few days ago that this has to be Hendersons strongest team in years and backed him at 13/2, that's without today's news breaking.

In general though, unless anyone has inside knowledge, I have no real idea why so many have Mullins horses in ante post positions. Majority of them are hyped early on in their careers and represent little value, don't get me wrong quite a few have lived up to that hype, but from a purely form perspective they were not value at that specific time.
Mullins will clearly have winners, but I'm happy to not have them on my side as they are often short enough anyhow.
I have my eye on one from his stable in Bacardys, but he's around 12s - 16s so it's worth it from a price angle.
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We can never be sure, but despite todays news he is still 4/9 to be top trainer at the festival. I am not claiming that is great value, I am just saying he is still favourite for a reason - he has the best horses and great strength in depth. Realistically he has two decent shots where other trainers only have one in more races than anyone else does across the 4 days. He also has the best jockey available and he will continue to have powerful owners spending lots of money on horses picked by the best "scouts".

Trying not to sound like a blind-Mullins'-groupie but I think it is an over reaction to say he isn't still at the peak of his powers. (On a season-by-season basis this might not be his STRONGEST Cheltenham) but looking at what he has had in terms of body blows, to still be at the top is impressive and he didn't get the success over night. He has a VERY successful model (all the way from having scouts picking out new talent) and losing 60 horses, iunjuries to (3 of the best 4) horses in the yard and he will STILL most liklely come out on top this year both at home and at Cheltenham.


I will call you out jono.... let's (somehow?!) have a bet.... I will say Mullins has more Cheltenham winners next season than this.... you have to say not, because you've suggested it is the start of the end?

:devilish:
 
Mytentoryours1 said:
On the subject of Hendo. I think the 6/1 about Consul De Thaix looks a good each way bet in the Betfair Hurdle.

At longer odds I also Gassin Golf. Travelled well last time but didn't see out 2m 4f. Won a handicap by 4.5 lengths off 135 at Newbury last March and now down to 133. Kerry's horses now in better form than when he last ran in November.
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I think Consul De Thaix needs further. The Neptune looks made for him.
 
Min has literally crushed my ante post book, was already suffering and now in a terrible position, Min was the first leg of around 20 multiple bets all of which had him around 8/1 in, thought I had well and truly done the bookies with that price as was guaranteed to come in the top two in my opinion, all I have left probably without going through it all is the triumph hurdle, RSA, the 4 miler and the fox hunters where I have an okay looking book.... think I' going to change the way I approach my ap book for next years fez!!
 
I've lost almost all of my multiples, with the Ricci Rich horses going for a burton.

I'm on the Altior/Yorkhill double from the day that Nicky announce Altior was going chasing, along with the same 2 with ADO for the RSA.

My only live multiple left is Harry/UDS for Stayers/Ryanair.

Oh well, glad I only throw tenners about... My singles aren't looking too bad, so I guess I'll just have to hunt the multiples out on the day of the races :highly_amused:
 
I'm not giving up on Yorkhill for JLT yet.
 
Old Vic said:
I'm not giving up on Yorkhill for JLT yet.
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Interesting that Ruby has eluded to him staying over fences, and SKY and PP have the JLT as fav destination .... fingers crossed
 
Hopefully OV, Kev. I was starting to like the look of my double of Yorkhill and DDS
 
Good old PP
Refunding all single AP bets on Faugheen and Min
No max payout
 
Old Vic said:
I'm not giving up on Yorkhill for JLT yet.
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Hope ur right OV, I have the Altior/Yorkhill double like others on here, for decent money too @5/1 6/1, haven't really done a great deal of ap bets this year, but Vautour hurt my book a lot, doesn't owe me anything, have made a packet on him in the last two fez's, still a bummer though, I loved that horse
 
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I will call you out jono.... let's (somehow?!) have a bet.... I will say Mullins has more Cheltenham winners next season than this.... you have to say not, because you've suggested it is the start of the end?
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Yeah i'd be up for that. In fairness i'm not expecting a sudden drop off. Like you say he still has superstars in the yard to step in but it's the start...just you wait and see haha!

I would certainly say I expect both this year and 2018 to not be as fruitful as the last 2 years for Willie (7 and 8 winners). If i had to have a wild guess right now i'll say he'll 5 winners this year, 4 in 2018 so he could easily win the top trainer in both these years but yes let's go for me saying less festival winners in 2018 than 2017 - I suppose I have to put my money where my mouth is though... your on Kev! :devilish:

p.s i'm a massive fan of the trainer and what he has achieved incase anyone thinks i'm not a fan and wanting to see his 'time at the top' come to an end.
 
So the Altior / Douvan double pays just over evens (1.04/1). I can't see Yorkhill taking on Altior so a double certainty?? (even if Yorkhill took on Altior I don't think he'd win)

SkyBet go 9/4 for them both to win by 5 lengths or more. Thoughts? A look through their careers so far show:

Altior
18L 6L 63L 7L 13L 0.5L 1.25L 34L 8L 3.25L 14L
8/11 runs won over 5L's

Douvan
6L 8L 22L 11L 14L 7L 15L 18L 9L 7L 4.5L 3.75L 12L
11/13 runs won over 5L's

Both have beaten this winning distance on every chase they've ran in so far.
 
I think you said a few weeks back that douvan may put on a show .... even more so now?

Altior was ahead at the last and put 8l between himself and Min .... if yorkhill doesn't turn up ... I think it's a good bet myself. Nico isn't flashy either ... he'll be ridden to the line .... ruby doesn't mess around at Chelt either and if he was to be sitting quietly it'll be because he is 10L clear?
 
Yeah I think (and hope) he'll put on a show. There's no need to mind the horse in the race. There's also a few mentions that he is at his 'least impressive' around the track too which I think they'll want to put right.

Nico is quite a bullish when it comes to Altior too. You could imagine him being very keen to lay down a marker in the 2mile chase division on the Tuesday...only for Ruby to follow that up on Douvan on the Wednesday
 
Nico just needs to get the job done. Is he definitely back on Altior ?
 
Distance betting is always interesting, most pilots ride horses to the line but there have been several cases of them stroking the horses ears 100 yards out, Sprinter Sacre and Simonsig won their Arkles comfortably without racking up the distance so I think the over can be dangerous.
You have a 1.04/1 double, I'd be inclined to sit on that and cheer regardless of them winning half a track or half a length....
 
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