Champion Hurdle 2020

[jack1092]

Think the Supreme form is clutching at straws if weve got to January and we are looking at the second winning a hcp off 151 by a length to give it some substance.

It doesn't look a classic renewal, but he won it with ease.

Fakir hasn't done too bad for all he has had the allowances.

Felix Desjy hasn't been seen. Aramon only once.

Unfortunately all this doesn't matter as Klassical Dream has lost his marbles

 

[Lobos]

The only way Klassical Dream would be of any real interest to me now would be if the there was no good at all in the going description on the day

Agree. Would need it to be very soft imo to run/be competitive anywhere over 2 miles. His entry in the Stayers is an interesting one. If he were mine I'd step him up in trip.

 

[Kevloaf]

This season Cornerstone Lad, won a G1 beating Buveur D'air.

Then comes out best at the weights in the race at the weekend, which puts him ahead of Pentland Hills who is still 8/1



Through Ballyandy it leaves only a little to find with Epatante (3L)?, but if Epatante doesn't act around Cheltenham, is it inconceivable that Cornerstone Lad wins the worst Champion Hurdle in my lifetime?

I'm going to back him at 50/1

This is hilarous.

 

[Ray]

Ha! I like that 50/1 cornerstone lad, that settles this puzzle for me!

 

[Deleted member 4957]

is it inconceivable that Cornerstone Lad wins the worst Champion Hurdle in my lifetime?

I had CL yesterday top 2 and in the without PH market, if you'd told me over the last I wouldn't be collecting I'd have you certified.

As for the Champion, it is shaping up to be a weak affair not not that weak, there's no way he'll get a soft lead and be allowed to dictate in the way he is used to, something will take him on and he could get lit up.
I'd never criticise a 50/1 stab but he's not someone I'm rushing to back...

Ps were you not around for Hor La Lois ?

 

[Kevloaf]

I had CL yesterday top 2 and in the without PH market, if you'd told me over the last I wouldn't be collecting I'd have you certified.

As for the Champion, it is shaping up to be a weak affair not not that weak, there's no way he'll get a soft lead and be allowed to dictate in the way he is used to, something will take him on and he could get lit up.
I'd never criticise a 50/1 stab but he's not someone I'm rushing to back...

Ps were you not around for Hor La Lois ?

I can see why people wouldn't be rushing to back... but I've been against Pentland Hills, Fusil Raffles and Couer Sublime quite bullishly and they're all shorter in the betting despite achieving less, so I think it's value relative to those horses.


Nope, Binocular 2010 the first fesitval I watched...by lifetime, I meant since I've been into it

 

[billymag]

You only have to look at horses like See you Then, Quevega and Benie to throw that theory out the window.

He staked a claim for honours when winning the Morgiana Hurdle at Punchestown in November, after being off the track following fall at Naas a year earlier.

Mullins added: "He's out riding away and we're hoping to go straight to Cheltenham with him.

"It's not ideal, but that's just the way it has to be. At the moment it's straight to the Champion Hurdle."

hmmmmmm what do you mean Patrick thats not ideal, what about See you then who won off breaks in the late 1980's, surely the horse wins fresh so its no problem going straight to the race without a recent run, if you think thats a hindrance I think we need to throw that theory out the window lol :encouragement:

 

[Lobos]

He staked a claim for honours when winning the Morgiana Hurdle at Punchestown in November, after being off the track following fall at Naas a year earlier.

Mullins added: "He's out riding away and we're hoping to go straight to Cheltenham with him.

"It's not ideal, but that's just the way it has to be. At the moment it's straight to the Champion Hurdle."

hmmmmmm what do you mean Patrick thats not ideal, what about See you then who won off breaks in the late 1980's, surely the horse wins fresh so its no problem going straight to the race without a recent run, if you think thats a hindrance I think we need to throw that theory out the window lol :encouragement:

Blimey.....you having a bad day ??

 

[Saxon Warrior]

He staked a claim for honours when winning the Morgiana Hurdle at Punchestown in November, after being off the track following fall at Naas a year earlier.

Mullins added: "He's out riding away and we're hoping to go straight to Cheltenham with him.

"It's not ideal, but that's just the way it has to be. At the moment it's straight to the Champion Hurdle."

hmmmmmm what do you mean Patrick thats not ideal, what about See you then who won off breaks in the late 1980's, surely the horse wins fresh so its no problem going straight to the race without a recent run, if you think thats a hindrance I think we need to throw that theory out the window lol :encouragement:

Spot on, the horses form tells you he wins off a break.

 

[Quevega]

Spot on, the horses form tells you he wins off a break.

A leg break ?
Don't tell Billy.

 

[billymag]

Think ive got that out my system now lads, good luck if youve backed him :encouragement:

 

[harchibald]

It baffles me why people are so against Pentland Hills - hes surely a very promising 5 year old who has done very little wrong. Did really well as a 4 year old winning the triumph impressively and following it up in aintree. This season after joining the senior ranks, hes run 2 good races although running a little keenly. The first one at cheltenham he looked like the winner coming to the last but blew up. In the 2nd one he tanked along and only got caught at the line on softer ground than ideal.

If he's not good enough to win the 2020 champion hurdle so be it but surely a horse of real promise for future champion hurdles the way he travels and jumps.

 

[taylorch1990]

My biggest issue with him is his price he's second favourite! There's not a single piece of form that justifies him being so high in the market.

 

[charlie]

It baffles me why people are so against Pentland Hills - hes surely a very promising 5 year old who has done very little wrong. Did really well as a 4 year old winning the triumph impressively and following it up in aintree. This season after joining the senior ranks, hes run 2 good races although running a little keenly. The first one at cheltenham he looked like the winner coming to the last but blew up. In the 2nd one he tanked along and only got caught at the line on softer ground than ideal.

If he's not good enough to win the 2020 champion hurdle so be it but surely a horse of real promise for future champion hurdles the way he travels and jumps.

Easy, price. He’s 7/1 having just lost to Ballyandy. Probably not good enough but priced up as though he is.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

It baffles me why people are so against Pentland Hills - hes surely a very promising 5 year old who has done very little wrong. Did really well as a 4 year old winning the triumph impressively and following it up in aintree. This season after joining the senior ranks, hes run 2 good races although running a little keenly. The first one at cheltenham he looked like the winner coming to the last but blew up. In the 2nd one he tanked along and only got caught at the line on softer ground than ideal.

If he's not good enough to win the 2020 champion hurdle so be it but surely a horse of real promise for future champion hurdles the way he travels and jumps.

Which part of form in open company makes you like him at just 7/1?

The 4th in the Grade 2 at Cheltenham behind Call me Lord or the defeat behind Ballyandy at the weekend?

 

[Kevloaf]

It baffles me why people are so against Pentland Hills - hes surely a very promising 5 year old who has done very little wrong. Did really well as a 4 year old winning the triumph impressively and following it up in aintree. This season after joining the senior ranks, hes run 2 good races although running a little keenly. The first one at cheltenham he looked like the winner coming to the last but blew up. In the 2nd one he tanked along and only got caught at the line on softer ground than ideal.

If he's not good enough to win the 2020 champion hurdle so be it but surely a horse of real promise for future champion hurdles the way he travels and jumps.

I see people have already jumped on this, and I'll try and learn from yesterday as it's probably just the wording..... .....

It can't baffle you surely?



He got beaten by Ballyandy.

I am against any horse that finishes within 3L of Ballyandy to win a Grade 1. He's 9 and exposed and having him close to your arse isn't Champion Hurdle winning class, let alone him chinning you on the line.


I also disagree that he's done "very little wrong".... pulling too hard (which you've described as a little keenly) is quite a bit wrong? If it was only a little keen, and he couldn't get the job done, then you have to question his attitude?


It can't be baffling that people aren't keen on a horse with 0 wins this season being 8/1 for the Champion Hurdle?




I have been against PH all season, BUT that is only because he's never been the price I've wanted. If he was 25/1 now I'd probably chance him because I don't think anybody is arguing that he doesn't have potential... but 8/1, to be the 3rd horse since 1986 to be a 5yo winner of the race?

It's baffling that you find it baffling

 

[Saxon Warrior]

I see people have already jumped on this, and I'll try and learn from yesterday as it's probably just the wording..... .....

It can't baffle you surely?


He got beaten by Ballyandy.

I am against any horse that finishes within 3L of Ballyandy to win a Grade 1. He's 9 and exposed and having him close to your arse isn't Champion Hurdle winning class, let alone him chinning you on the line.


I also disagree that he's done "very little wrong".... pulling too hard (which you've described as a little keenly) is quite a bit wrong? If it was only a little keen, and he couldn't get the job done, then you have to question his attitude?


It can't be baffling that people aren't keen on a horse with 0 wins this season being 8/1 for the Champion Hurdle?




I have been against PH all season, BUT that is only because he's never been the price I've wanted. If he was 25/1 now I'd probably chance him because I don't think anybody is arguing that he doesn't have potential... but 8/1, to be the 3rd horse since 1986 to be a 5yo winner of the race?

It's baffling that you find it baffling

Spot on. These debates always come back to price.

He is close enough in both races to be considered to have a chance, but the current price is the problem. Must be they got more bets on him at bigger prices early on and are reluctant to push him out too far. That, and there not being much else being backed heavily with ragingly better form.

Love to see Honeysuckle win in a couple of weeks and how the market reacts to that. Pentland Hills may be a bit bigger then.

 

[harchibald]

Apologies for my misleading post. I wasn't suggesting Pentland is good value at current prices or that anyone should be rushing out to back him. I'm new to the forum and was just speaking from a NH fan perspective rather than a betting perspective. People don't appear to like the horse full stop.

I was just making the point that that he's still a young horse with massive potential and could be a real champion of the future. I accept the points about Ballyandy and that he'd need to be beating him easily. But the ground will be better in Cheltenham - was described as heavy in Haydock and on good to soft in Cheltenham, I'd be surprised if Ballyandy got close to him. All that said, I'm living in hope more than confidence for this years renewal.

One thing I was surprised to see when I did a bit of research just now was that the current favorite Epetante is rated just 137. Very surprised at that and I know she gets the 7 pound allowance.

 

[taylorch1990]

She isn't rated 137, the rating when looking horses form up is what they were rated going into the race. Others will know her new rating. However it does annoy me that when looking up a horse there current rating isn't easy to come by.

 

[Quevega]

She isn't rated 137, the rating when looking horses form up is what they were rated going into the race. Others will know her new rating. However it does annoy me that when looking up a horse there current rating isn't easy to come by.

Sh'es 159 now, add another 7 to that and it shows what some of the others have to find.