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Champion Chase 2018

KingSprinterSacre said:
Be interesting to see the reason why.
Setback or travel weather conditions perhaps?
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Willie has come out and said that he wasn't entirely happy with Douvans work, but the fact neither UDS or Douvan have travelled I'd go with weather conditions myself regardless of what he has said, and to be perfectly honest I couldn't blame them one bit!

It may make for a poor line up, but I'd rather have the animals well being as my number one priority than giving 'racing fans' what they want!
 
Douvan's trainer Willie Mullins said on Thursday: "Douvan worked very well at the Curragh on Tuesday. He cantered yesterday. He did another little bit early this morning and I wasn't entirely happy with him.

"Maybe he hadn't fully recovered from what he did on Tuesday and I decided not to declare him for Sandown. No decision has been made regarding when he will have his first run of the season."
 
Lets also remember, WPM is under no obligation to run them in any race should they not want to. It's massively frustrating for genuine racing fans but I can't have sympathy for punters in this case, firstly because this exact same thing happened last season, so lessons needed to be learnt and also there has been no confirmation that this was a confirmed target, they always said he had 3 options, so I certainly wouldn't have been backing him for the Tingle Creek!
 
Don't care at all about punters either COD. People know the risks ... its massively disappointing as a race... and they're race horses .. so RUN THEM. Too concerned about getting beat ... not anything to do with the well-being!
 
Kevloaf said:
Don't care at all about punters either COD. People know the risks ... its massively disappointing as a race... and they're race horses .. so RUN THEM. Too concerned about getting beat ... not anything to do with the well-being!
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100% agree. They need to take a leaf out of Colin Tizzards book. He isn't worried about a horse suffering a loss. It's so frustrating.
 
Kevloaf said:
Don't care at all about punters either COD. People know the risks ... its massively disappointing as a race... and they're race horses .. so RUN THEM. Too concerned about getting beat ... not anything to do with the well-being!
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To be honest Kev I thought Douvan losing his unbeaten record last year was going to be the best thing that could have happened for us racing fans. It looked like they might finally take off the bubble wrap and let him take his chance in some of the big early season contests, evidently isn't the case..
 
Montjeu said:
To be honest Kev I thought Douvan losing his unbeaten record last year was going to be the best thing that could have happened for us racing fans. It looked like they might finally take off the bubble wrap and let him take his chance in some of the big early season contests, evidently isn't the case..
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I wonder if Gordon Elliott winning 3 grade 1s has had anything to do with it.... maybe we are even less likely than we were last season to see his stars over here before Cheltenham?
 
Kevloaf said:
Don't care at all about punters either COD. People know the risks ... its massively disappointing as a race... and they're race horses .. so RUN THEM. Too concerned about getting beat ... not anything to do with the well-being!
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Totally agree. Poor show Mullins.
 
Can't really understand the negativity towards Mullins myself. Think he's done absolutely the right thing.

If he isnt happy with the horse, he isn't happy, and you can't travel all the way to England for a Grade 1 against Fox Norton unless you are totally happy.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Can't really understand the negativity towards Mullins myself. Think he's done absolutely the right thing.

If he isnt happy with the horse, he isn't happy, and you can't travel all the way to England for a Grade 1 against Fox Norton unless you are totally happy.
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Absolutely. If they came over, ran poorly and then explained about this morning's work, they would have been pilloried and probably quite rightly. Given that it costs about £1000 for transport over, it's a no brainer really.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Lets also remember, WPM is under no obligation to run them in any race should they not want to. It's massively frustrating for genuine racing fans but I can't have sympathy for punters in this case, firstly because this exact same thing happened last season, so lessons needed to be learnt and also there has been no confirmation that this was a confirmed target, they always said he had 3 options, so I certainly wouldn't have been backing him for the Tingle Creek!
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I've been stood at Sandown with VVM being paraded 10 mins before the off and he pulled her out, something that was unforgivable given the implications on betting markets and the media hype that day around Mullins v Nichols and the promise of the best NH horses battling it out (hence the subsequent sell out).
No doubt there'll be a barrage of who pays the bills responses but the industry is closely affiliated to gambling and honesty/intentions carry greater impact, at least we know 48 hours out this time.....
 
***Mullins Bingo Alert***

With doubts around Douvan's wellbeing, and Min potentially being stepped up to the Ryanair, could Yorkhill end up here?
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Can't really understand the negativity towards Mullins myself. Think he's done absolutely the right thing.

If he isnt happy with the horse, he isn't happy, and you can't travel all the way to England for a Grade 1 against Fox Norton unless you are totally happy.
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The problem is when the exchange tells you the running plans. And he's getting layed at all prices with no notification of anything other than he's an intended runner.
 
Scooby91 said:
The problem is when the exchange tells you the running plans. And he's getting layed at all prices with no notification of anything other than he's an intended runner.
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That’s hardly exclusive to Willie Mullins though. Par for the course with antepost punting imo.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
***Mullins Bingo Alert***

With doubts around Douvan's wellbeing, and Min potentially being stepped up to the Ryanair, could Yorkhill end up here?
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:devilish: NO

The Arkle vs JLT winners clashing over 2m would be a sight!

but no.... :p
 
I've taken 10/1 about Politilogue.

He's a bigger price after beating Fox Norton, than Fox Norton was going in to the Tingle Creek.

I've under-estimated Nicholls rubbish 2 milers before when Dodging Bullets won and I like Poli much more than that horse. Can't knock his profile, people we're waxing lyrical about Fox Norton so having beaten him fair and square the fact he's double figures is just under-estimating him.

I 100% don't think Politilogue could beat Altior, Douvan OR Min - but Altior might be having his first run of the season, Douvan and Min are coming back from injury....

Fox Norton is still shorter in the betting...... The WORST PRICE OF THE ENTIRE FESTIVAL 2nd year in a row? :D haha
 
Min is back from injury to be fair Kev, last day showed it.
I personally wouldn't be backing a horse who you 100% think wouldn't beat 3 other horses of which 2out of three will certainly run unless they suffer a setback (which could happen any horse antepost).
 
KingSprinterSacre said:
Min is back from injury to be fair Kev, last day showed it.
I personally wouldn't be backing a horse who you 100% think wouldn't beat 3 other horses of which 2out of three will certainly run unless they suffer a setback (which could happen any horse antepost).
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Not a fan of politologue at that price and deffinately wouldnt be for me tbh. But atleast the targets assured you know fox norton will be going Ryanair/ gold cup so that's another place available. Cant see anyway in wich politologue wins especially on spring ground assuming altior and Douvan make it there. However they still have to make it there in good condition and jump round.
 
Kevloaf said:
I've taken 10/1 about Politilogue.

He's a bigger price after beating Fox Norton, than Fox Norton was going in to the Tingle Creek.

I've under-estimated Nicholls rubbish 2 milers before when Dodging Bullets won and I like Poli much more than that horse. Can't knock his profile, people we're waxing lyrical about Fox Norton so having beaten him fair and square the fact he's double figures is just under-estimating him.

I 100% don't think Politilogue could beat Altior, Douvan OR Min - but Altior might be having his first run of the season, Douvan and Min are coming back from injury....

Fox Norton is still shorter in the betting...... The WORST PRICE OF THE ENTIRE FESTIVAL 2nd year in a row? :D haha
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Hes a very good price for the Ryanair at 6s and gold cup 50s. Imo.
 
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