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Champion Bumper ‘25

DenmanSacre said:
I can't remember seeing a change but maybe someone else knows. If he isn't qualified, all bets should be refunded. Was anything said after the race by the trainer?
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Dont believe theres been any changes to the bumper rules, so yeah wouldn't qual
 
Runragged said:
It was a listed race with 9 of the opposition also having won a bumper race! He has destroyed them by 14 lengths with the fav in 2nd suggesting form is reliable. That is by far the best form we have seen. However, will he go to Cheltenham? Will they even stick with bumpers? It was the horses 4th start on the flat and though it is late, they could give him a spin over hurdles. There is a good chance that with three months to go then something will improve past him anyway, let alone the fact the race normally is a big field mess. Down the 6s and 7s now, assuming he doesn't run again he would be that price on the day.
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They finished in a heap in behind, most of them had scrambled home in poor bumpers in their previous race. Form looks poor imo. I’m not questioning the winners general ability as he put them away in style, I’m questioning his price in terms of winning the Cheltenham bumper based on everything we know. We haven’t even seen Willies weapons yet. I’d be shocked if he’s not bigger on the day. Personally I’d have him down as a 20/1 shot
 
DenmanSacre said:
I can't remember seeing a change but maybe someone else knows. If he isn't qualified, all bets should be refunded. Was anything said after the race by the trainer?
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Pipe said: “We’re very excited with our boy. We’ll go for one of the big spring bumpers now, it was a very good performance.

“We thought he’d run a big race, but there were plenty of other winners in the race. He’s taken us back a bit!

“He’d always been a good work horse, but he just eats and sleeps at home and then wakes up on the gallops.

“He’s quite keen, he likes to race out in front and get on with it and that’s what he’s like at home, but in his stable he’s so quiet.”

Paddy Power initially cut the winner to 14-1 from 50-1 for the Champion Bumper at the Cheltenham Festival in March, but soon trimmed his odds further to 8-1. William Hill installed the Pipe runner as the 7-1 joint-favourite for the championship event alongside Gordon Elliott’s Kalypso’chance.
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Runragged said:
The following changes will be introduced for the start of the 2023/24 season:

1. A maximum of three runs permitted in National Hunt Flat races.

The only exceptions will be where:
  • the fourth run is in the Grade 1 Champion Bumper at Cheltenham, or the Grade 2 NHF at Aintree. Where the fourth run is in the Grade 1 Champion Bumper at Cheltenham, a further fifth run is permitted in the Grade 2 NHF at Aintree.
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Doesn't look like it unless it's changed again this season?
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On those rules he wouldn’t have been able to run today - so not sure that’s accurate. Also, Dirty Den ran in last years Champion Bumper after 4 previous bumper starts?
 
Cashew King said:
On those rules he wouldn’t have been able to run today - so not sure that’s accurate. Also, Dirty Den ran in last years Champion Bumper after 4 previous bumper starts?
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His first 3 runs were in those 'junior' bumpers, which may not be counted
 
for four, five and six yrs old only, which have not run under any recognised Rules of Racing, except National Hunt Flat races, Irish National Hunt Flat races or French AQPS Flat races. Horses are not to have run in more than three previous races, or four races if one of the previous runs was in a Pattern or Listed Race during the current season and, prior to Closing, must have been placed first, second, third or fourth in a race


Lad on X kindly sent the above in from this years BHA pattern book

Changed again
 
Easily the most impressive Bumper winner we've seen either side of the water. That was a decent field as well.
 
Lobos said:
Easily the most impressive Bumper winner we've seen either side of the water. That was a decent field as well.
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You have Irish bumpers every week with fields with higher RPRs than that lot. He's made a poor bunch look poor. He can prop up the market for some of the Irish that will actually win the race.

I still think Future Prospect is the best one we've seen until we see Willies proper ones over Xmas.
 
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DenmanSacre said:
You have Irish bumpers every week with fields with higher RPRs than that lot. He's made a poor bunch look poor. He can prop up the market for some of the Irish that will actually win the race.

I still think Future Prospect is the best one we've seen until we see Willies proper ones over Xmas.
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Was going to say, Future Prospect looked every bit as good, doing plenty more wrong, with plenty less experience.

I won't be getting involved in that one today at the prices, that's for sure.
 
Eggs said:
….the one on 27th probably looks the one to consider from Saxons race planner.
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If you’re looking for the second placed finished in the bumper :anonymous:
 
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Cant see the winner coming from the 26th or 27th. Now watch that come back and bite me on the ass
 
Patrick seems very cool on Green Splendour on Sporting Life. And suggest there’s not much between Leaky Cauldron and Eclipse Chaser. The latter has had a better prep.
 
What are peoples thoughts on the breeding and PTP form of Leaky Cauldron and Eclipse Chaser?
 
HoldenTheReins said:
What are peoples thoughts on the breeding and PTP form of Leaky Cauldron and Eclipse Chaser?
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If you go on Jackie's diary, he's put some thoughts there.

Eclipse might find it tough as a 4yo in the extended trip. Joystick won it as a 4yo last year but it was a bad race. Previous Mullins winners have been 5yo in the main.
 
DenmanSacre said:
If you go on Jackie's diary, he's put some thoughts there.

Eclipse might find it tough as a 4yo in the extended trip. Joystick won it as a 4yo last year but it was a bad race. Previous Mullins winners have been 5yo in the main.
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Yeah I've read Jackie's stuff already, my first point of call when it comes to PTP recruits.
 
HoldenTheReins said:
Yeah I've read Jackie's stuff already, my first point of call when it comes to PTP recruits.
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He's obviously a full brother to Jet Powered but the progeny of the dam that have reached the track have in the main been decent enough horses. The sire hasn't really had a property grade 1 or 2 horse yet though.

He does seem to breed stamina into them though and his half sister had plenty of stamina.

Vibes for him are pretty good though.

Be an interesting race though.
 
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