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Boodles Juvenile Handicap Hurdle (Fred Winter) 2019

Cashew King said:
Praeceps off 129 would interest me if getting in - worth a poke at 33s with B365
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...as posted further back, Sporting Life’s Ben Linfoot put Praeceps up earlier in the week.
 
quevega said:
Interesting entry for Belargus in the imperial cup.
Only 4 yr old
Only JP Mcmanus horse.

Remember Ashkazar nearly doing the double many years ago
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need the penalty which maybe a plan
 
mayo said:
need the penalty which maybe a plan
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Think BHA estimate might be a little bit off.
As looking at the ones on higher marks, a lot don't look certain runners to me,
But it's an option.
The entry is ambitious which i see as a positive though.

I'll be going through them all later with a marker pen.
 
Friend Or Foe from the Nicholls yard seems to be the one the money has come for.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Friend Or Foe from the Nicholls yard seems to be the one the money has come for.
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And he's on 128 which is even more touch and go.
Backed him last night at 10-1 when i realised his mark was so low.
 
Think Gordon may send Couer sublime here and Surin triumph.
would suit my bets but don't expect either to win anyway.
Don't see why he would run Surin off 133 without an allowance.
She'd be effectively rated 140 in triumph.
Couer sublime can run in winter off 138 I think.
 
Will Gordy send Coko Beach as well do we think? Him and Lethal Steps would do for me at this stage
 
quevega said:
Think Gordon may send Couer sublime here and Surin triumph.
would suit my bets but don't expect either to win anyway.
Don't see why he would run Surin off 133 without an allowance.
She'd be effectively rated 140 in triumph.
Couer sublime can run in winter off 138 I think.
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The preview night thread has Surin possibly going mares novice route
 
im a big fan of Band Of Outlaws but he looks a little high for this.
One of interest at the weights is Maze Runner for W.Mullins. He's in nicely on 129. Very interesting formline.
 
Couple of lurkers waiting to get in that will be of interest. Will wait on final decs though.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Couple of lurkers waiting to get in that will be of interest. Will wait on final decs though.
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I took 25/1 NRNB on Capone who is one of said lurkers. That being said off 127 with the handicapper predicting 130 makes it unlikely he will get in. It's a shame because I really like him for this. Was significantly closer to Quel Destin last time out having been given a quiet ride and brought into the race late. He beat Torpillo easily, now rated 141 and Cracker Factory by 13 lengths who has gone on to run grade 1 winning Quel Destin to a length at Cheltenham. I think this was the plan all along. Based on what he did behind QD and in front of Torpillo I am surprised he isn't 129+. We'll see but its NRNB
 
Paddy Brennan was very positive on Fanfan du Seuil on the preview tonight.
 
Cashew King said:
Paddy Brennan was very positive on Fanfan du Seuil on the preview tonight.
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Looked at him earlier today - think I read about him somewhere *hold on*

Yeah, ATR website:

Fanfan Du Seuil (FR)

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What he did for 90% of the Triumph trial in December is more pertinent than the last 10%, considering the conditions, when he was beaten a length having traded at 100/30-on, and that’s Fanfan Du Seuil’s only defeat when completing. The main event may be off the agenda (though he still has a Triumph entry), but a mark of 136 makes the Boodles – some say the Fred Winter – a very tempting alternative, looking to have the right qualities for it, particularly his high cruising speed, bred as much for the Flat as the jumps.



Then I started looking at his form, and thought through Our Power he's better than Style De Vole...then realised that means nothing to me and got distracted by looking at the weights.
 
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Help me out here

mayo said:
Boodles Juvenile Handicap Hurdle (Fred Winter)
Grade 3, £80,000 Total Prize Fund. Old Course, Cheltenham, 4.50pm, Wednesday, March 13, two miles and half a furlong (2m
87y). For juvenile four-year-olds only. Penalties: after February 24, a winner of a hurdle race 5lb. No penalty to increase a horse’s
weight above 11st 10lb. Entries closed February 19, entries released February 21 (63 entries), weights revealed February 27. Sixday confirmation stage March 7, final declaration stage 10.00am, Monday, March 11. Maximum field of 22.
Horse Age Wgt Rating Owner Trainer
FUSIL RAFFLES (FR) 4 11-10 147 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede Nicky Henderson Out
GARDENS OF BABYLON (IRE) 4 11-08 145 J P McManus Joseph O'Brien IRE Triumph
ADJALI (GER) 4 11-08 145 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede Nicky Henderson Triumph
TORPILLO (FR) 4 11-04 141 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede Nigel Twiston-Davies ? Triumph
HANNON (IRE) 4 11-02 139 D Kierans John McConnell IRE - Runs here per Tony Martin ( 139 top weight ?)
FINE BRUNELLO (FR) 4 11-02 139 J P McManus Joseph O'Brien IRE
BAND OF OUTLAWS (IRE) 4 11-02 139 Justin Carthy Joseph O'Brien IRE - some whispers about Supreme
CRACKER FACTORY 4 11-02 139 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede Alan King
CHIEF JUSTICE 4 11-02 139 Cheveley Park Stud Gordon Elliott IRE
NATURELLE (FR) 4 11-01 138 Haras De Mezeray Sa Alain Couetil FR
COEUR SUBLIME (IRE) 4 11-01 138 C Jones Gordon Elliott IRE
GOT TRUMPED 4 11-01 138 D R Scott Jessica Harrington IRE
MONTESTREL (FR) 4 11-00 137 Mrs Jane Williams Jane Williams
FANFAN DU SEUIL (FR) 4 10-13 136 Crossed Fingers Partnership Tom George
SURIN (FR) 4 10-13 136 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott IRE
KONITHO (FR) 4 10-13 136 J P McManus Joseph O'Brien IRE
BEAT THE JUDGE (IRE) 4 10-12 135 Ed Babington Gary Moore
OUR POWER (IRE) 4 10-12 135 Walters Plant Hire & Potter Group Alan King
FOX PRO (FR) 4 10-11 134 Mrs Jane Williams Jane Williams
NELSON RIVER 4 10-11 134 CCCP Syndicate Tony Carroll
COKO BEACH (FR) 4 10-11 134 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott IRE
PRABENI 4 10-11 134 D W Fox Charlie Mann

cut off - these could get in with a penalty ( probably top 4/5 do anyway ?)

ZIZANEUR (FR) 4 10-10 133 David Maxwell Racing Limited Philip Hobbs
DOGON 4 10-10 133 Middleham Park Racing LXXVIII& A&J Ryan Paul Nicholls
CIEL DE NEIGE (FR) 4 10-09 132 M L Bloodstock Limited Willie Mullins IRE
ROSE SEA HAS (FR) 4 10-08 131 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede Dr Richard Newland
LETHAL STEPS 4 10-08 131 Cheveley Park Stud Gordon Elliott IRE
STAR MAX (GER) 4 10-08 131 Gigginstown House Stud Joseph O'Brien IRE

--- allowing for a few defectors latest cut off

OI THE CLUBB OI'S 4 10-07 130 The Albatross Club Ian Williams
LA SORELITA (FR) 4 10-07 130 K Alexander Willie Mullins IRE
PRAECEPS (IRE) 4 10-06 129 Incipe Partnership Alan King
KING D'ARGENT (FR) 4 10-06 129 Andrew Dick and John Stevenson Dan Skelton
MAZE RUNNER (IRE) 4 10-06 129 Mrs J M Mullins Willie Mullins IRE
BELARGUS (FR) 4 10-06 129 J P McManus Nick Gifford
IDILICO (FR) 4 10-06 129 Andrew Dick Ian Williams
FUTURE PROOF (IRE) 4 10-06 129 Lyreen Syndicate Noel Meade IRE

Handicapper predicting 130 ( thank Archie)
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along way down to Nicholls horse
 
Have looked at the last 6 years. Diego is a huge trend buster but he came straight from France so I am allowing leeway for horses who have come straight from France.

5/5 1 win in last 3 starts.
5/5 Completed last 3 starts.
5/5 at least 2 runs in the new year.

That leaves you with the following:
Gardens Of Babylon
Hannon
Surin
Konitho
Beat The Judge
Fox Pro *
Ciel De Niege *
Star Max
Praeceps
Our legend
Capone
Quantamental

* = straight from France
 
Ciel De Neige the one, if he runs!

Been holding off but as it's NRNB don't see any reason not to add him anymore. I presume all is well, have not heard an awful lot with regards to well being.

ML Bloodstock (Guy Cherel) retain ownership of this one (currently), he's had his 3 runs in France, finished behind Fanfan Du Seuil on debut off levels by just over a length, will be getting 4lbs from that one in this race though, I just have a sneaky feeling he will have been working alongside Tiger Tap Tap (Triumph bound) and held back from running to have him in here off a nice weight, this is pure speculation on my part.

He could be anything since being switched to Mullins, but I found it fascinating that Danny Mullins (I know he does ride over there occasionally anyway) was over in France to ride him for his debut run and WPM got hold of this one. I can put a line through his run LTO in Dieppe, his previous 2 runs are what make him of certain interest, including some form behind Pic D'Orhy, where he ran a cracker, also finishing a short distance ahead of Konitho, who looks unlikely to run but if they did meet CDN would be getting 4lbs from that one too.

A lot of the trainers have already played their hands, we know the form of many, CDN goes in under the radar, and besides him being trained by WPM he would be relatively low key I'd imagine.

WPM has a good gauge on the Irish form too with the likes of La Sorelita & Maze Runner contesting races against the best of these so far.

CDN is by no means a certainty to even run but with NRNB I would not be worried about that, he is 20/1 with Coral and probably goes off shorter if he is declared.
 
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Nice piece of home work C.O.D. just added him. On a different matter as anyone tried to have a double with Coral on the festival its impossible.
 
the one i like here is Maze Runner, runner up to Band of Outlaws (off levels) at Naas recently having made all, jump the last in front and made a horlex of it, albeit it Band of Outlaws was travelling better but i really think he would have put it up to him, managed to get himself right and put over 3ls between himself at the 3rd, rated 129 he'll be in receipt of 10lbs this time with the fav Band of Outlaws
 
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