Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2020

[Outlaw]

Nicky said after last run he will be sticking to 2m and even thou he had a host of 2m3/4f entries i would hoipe it's supreme bound if winning.

As a side note when do P/P do there specials on a horse to win a race like the tolworth then a race at the fez is it on the day, anyone?

 

[Big Bucks]

Hoping Fiddlerontheroof can lay down a marker for the Ballymore tomorrow. 2 miles in soft/heavy ground tomorrow then on to 2 and a half miles at Cheltenham on better ground (hopefully anyway).

I think the form with Edwardstone is very solid and he'll be one to keep improving as the season goes on.

Anyone any thoughts on the Tolworth tomorrow?

Hoping Fiddlerontheroof can lay down a marker for the Ballymore tomorrow. 2 miles in soft/heavy ground tomorrow then on to 2 and a half miles at Cheltenham on better ground (hopefully anyway).

I think the form with Edwardstone is very solid and he'll be one to keep improving as the season goes on.

Anyone any thoughts on the Tolworth tomorrow?

I think its a fascinating race and the more i look through form, the depth and chances is far from a one horse race. I have Fiddlerontheroof in the book already TWAR, wouldnt mind adding one more out of Son of Camas and Hang in there..But realistically at this stage I need to be cutting not adding, especially at Ante Post. But think Hang in there is less likely to come here, but any of the 3 most likely be a supreme candidate.

Jeremys Flame was behind Daylight Katie when i was at down royal but to be honest I cant remember it, would need to rewatch, but Davy had a scare and done well to stay on her and think in end won handy enough despite that. Suppose if did win would boost Dk form for mares novice?

 

[Kevloaf]

Nicky said after last run he will be sticking to 2m and even thou he had a host of 2m3/4f entries i would hoipe it's supreme bound if winning.

As a side note when do P/P do there specials on a horse to win a race like the tolworth then a race at the fez is it on the day, anyone?

Yeah after 10am from what I've seen

 

[FaugheenTheMachine]

Had a top up on Envoi Allen ahead of tomorrow; it’s by far the best novice race (on paper) we’ve seen so far this season and if he wins as I expect it will be the last time we see odds against for March

 

[Johar]

Anyone of the view that Abacadabras might beat Envoi Allen in a rematch (were it ever to happen)?

That was my feeling after the Royal Bond and makes me think Envoi Allen isn’t as bullet proof as his price (both tomorrow and for Cheltenham) suggests? Interesting race tomorrow!

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

Anyone of the view that Abacadabras might beat Envoi Allen in a rematch (were it ever to happen)?

That was my feeling after the Royal Bond and makes me think Envoi Allen isn’t as bullet proof as his price (both tomorrow and for Cheltenham) suggests? Interesting race tomorrow!

I don't see how Abacadabras would turn the form around. Beaten fair and square over two miles in the Royal Bond and the further EA goes, the better he'll be imo. It's a moot point anyway, as I doubt they'll ever face each other again.

 

[Lobos]

Hoping Fiddlerontheroof can lay down a marker for the Ballymore tomorrow. 2 miles in soft/heavy ground tomorrow then on to 2 and a half miles at Cheltenham on better ground (hopefully anyway).

I think the form with Edwardstone is very solid and he'll be one to keep improving as the season goes on.

Anyone any thoughts on the Tolworth tomorrow?

Robbie Power agrees with you. He's just said the same. Very soft ground on first day it'll probably be Supreme. If it dried up then Ballymore the target. Think Power will be huge influence where Tizzards go. Decent ground then Master Debonair goes Supreme, Fiddler comes here and TBB Albert. Simples.

 

[jonthehammer]

Anyone of the view that Abacadabras might beat Envoi Allen in a rematch (were it ever to happen)?

That was my feeling after the Royal Bond and makes me think Envoi Allen isn’t as bullet proof as his price (both tomorrow and for Cheltenham) suggests? Interesting race tomorrow!

Nope, I cannot see that happening at all.

 

[AnFiieLD.]

Anyone of the view that Abacadabras might beat Envoi Allen in a rematch (were it ever to happen)?

That was my feeling after the Royal Bond and makes me think Envoi Allen isn’t as bullet proof as his price (both tomorrow and for Cheltenham) suggests? Interesting race tomorrow!

Trying to find chinks in Envoi is impossible to me. I don’t see anything on their runnings to suggest a reversal of the placings. I think if anything is to beat Envoi Allen it’ll be something Mullins has which we haven’t seen yet but this is becoming increasingly unlikely

 

[Scooby91]

Trying to find chinks in Envoi is impossible to me. I don’t see anything on their runnings to suggest a reversal of the placings. I think if anything is to beat Envoi Allen it’ll be something Mullins has which we haven’t seen yet but this is becoming increasingly unlikely

If mullins has something to beat EA. Over 2 1/2 he's likely running today. Elixir d'ainay is considerably under rated IMO. And I know they think a hell of a lot of him. IF hes beaten 2 or 3L by EA today, its possible hes re routed. And there would be no reason why BOTH, cant win at the festival IMO.

Same for EA, the form book says he wins, but in the scenario where elixir won. You'd surely drop him back to the supreme.

 

[Scooby91]

If you wanted to be optimistic on a mullins one for this. They've been waiting on running lord royal, who was balloted out last time and is entered up again, where hes now due to get a run. Maybe a big ask to beat EA.

 

[Quevega]

If mullins has something to beat EA. Over 2 1/2 he's likely running today. Elixir d'ainay is considerably under rated IMO. And I know they think a hell of a lot of him. IF hes beaten 2 or 3L by EA today, its possible hes re routed. And there would be no reason why BOTH, cant win at the festival IMO.

Same for EA, the form book says he wins, but in the scenario where elixir won. You'd surely drop him back to the supreme.

My bets are edged this way, based on a similar thought process, with potentially longhouse poet also improving alongside.
Envoi Allen should win, but this is a different test against different form lines.

Another massive bridge crossed if he beats them with ease and then it's really just the british challenge to bother him, and they all look like they'd need it to come up soft to get near him.

I think Gordon might go straight to cheltenham with him after today, although if he runs again it would be likely over 2 miles again at Dublin, so he may run there especially if it don't go smoothly today.

 

[Humble Pie]

If you wanted to be optimistic on a mullins one for this. They've been waiting on running lord royal, who was balloted out last time and is entered up again, where hes now due to get a run. Maybe a big ask to beat EA.

Entered at Clonmel next week

 

[BigChaang]

I'm on the JackieMoonLonghousePoetLovetrain !!, ha ha, Think it's going to be a very.
Informative race today .Might shape where a few of these will run at the Festival.
Come on the Poet!!:encouragement::love_heart:

 

[billymag]

Robbie Power agrees with you. He's just said the same. Very soft ground on first day it'll probably be Supreme. If it dried up then Ballymore the target. Think Power will be huge influence where Tizzards go. Decent ground then Master Debonair goes Supreme, Fiddler comes here and TBB Albert. Simples.

Mentioned elsewhere but if Nick Goff is to be believed and ive no reason to doubt him, as he put up fiddler at 50/1 on his podcast, after speaking to the owners and them saying he would go for the Supreme, sounds like their money is down at 100/1 on him running here. Maybe they have also backed him ballymore (that was not stated) but youd have to say he will run here if they have there money down at 100/1

 

[Quevega]

Mentioned elsewhere but if Nick Goff is to be believed and ive no reason to doubt him, as he put up fiddler at 50/1 on his podcast, after speaking to the owners and them saying he would go for the Supreme, sounds like their money is down at 100/1 on him running here. Maybe they have also backed him ballymore (that was not stated) but youd have to say he will run here if they have there money down at 100/1

He's just won a decent trial over 2 miles on soft.
The supreme usually suits the NH bred staying types anyway as they go a good enough gallop, and it will be on the softer side of good to soft no matter what.
So the supreme would make most sense.

 

[Kevloaf]

Anyone backing Poet or Elixir today doubled with EA Supreme?

The only feasible way he's going Supreme is if he gets beaten today....

 

[Kevloaf]

Or EA supreme doubled with poet or elixir ballymore



Im doing none of the above though

 

[The Don]

You can back both poet or elixir for the ballymore with cashout.... can’t imagine they will be pushed out far (if at all) if they are beat today. If narrowly beaten would be cut...

 

[Kevloaf]

You can back both poet or elixir for the ballymore with cashout.... can’t imagine they will be pushed out far (if at all) if they are beat today. If narrowly beaten would be cut...

You'd be better off backing them today than doing that though.

I'm on both at bigger than they are now, playing with ideas