Arkle 2019

[Welshman]

Must admit a little baffled that Lalor is not favourite for the Arkle after his performance at Cheltenham .

 

[Scooby91]

Must admit a little baffled that Lalor is not favourite for the Arkle after his performance at Cheltenham .

I'm personally the opposite and suprised he's as short as he is. North hill Harvey hosed up in the same race last year by 18L beating the supreme 3rd

Yesterday he beat dynamite dollars and a horse who clearly needs further. Far bigger tests ahead like kalshnikov himself.

Welll done to the ones who have big prices on him looks at this stage a very nice bet. He wouldn't be worrying me personally

 

[Can't Catch Me]

I'm personally the opposite and suprised he's as short as he is. North hill Harvey hosed up in the same race last year by 18L beating the supreme 3rd

Yesterday he beat dynamite dollars and a horse who clearly needs further. Far bigger days ahead.
Welll done to the ones who have big prices on him looks at this stage a very nice bet. He wouldn't be worrying me personally

Scooby, I find it slightly odd you posted that Kalashnikov's price was fair enough... having beaten the 135 rated Huntsman Son, yet Lalor is too short having beaten significantly superior animals. Over course and distance, having jumped much better.

 

[Scooby91]

Scooby, I find it slightly odd you posted that Kalashnikov's price was fair enough... having beaten the 135 rated Huntsman Son, yet Lalor is too short having beaten significantly superior animals. Over course and distance, having jumped much better.

Because Kalashnikov was the leading novice going chasing. He was quite away better than lalor over hurdles. wait till they meet, iv seen nothing from lalor there there that makes me think if kalshnikov can jump a fence he'd have him in trouble .

Theres nothing there that ran behind lalor that will place in an arkle.
If you've got him at 33s lovely great bet as it stands. But that will be one of many massive over reactions to the market.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Because Kalashnikov was the leading novice going chasing. He was quite away better than lalor over hurdles. wait till they meet, iv seen nothing from lalor there there that makes me think if kalshnikov can jump a fence he'd have him in trouble .

Theres nothing there that ran behind lalor that will place in an arkle.

But hurdles form is only so important. You also said Lalor was a bridle ponce who wouldn't finish a race at Cheltenham a couple of weeks ago and Claimatakinforgan would win at the weekend.

The comment in bold just sounds utterly ridiculous to me if Im honest.

 

[Welshman]

I'm personally the opposite and suprised he's as short as he is. North hill Harvey hosed up in the same race last year by 18L beating the supreme 3rd

Yesterday he beat dynamite dollars and a horse who clearly needs further. Far bigger tests ahead like kalshnikov himself.

Welll done to the ones who have big prices on him looks at this stage a very nice bet. He wouldn't be worrying me personally

I have invested in Kalashnikov for the Arkle so hope you are right.But still think Lalor should be favourite at this stage.Long way to go yet

 

[Scooby91]

But hurdles form is only so important. You also said Lalor was a bridle ponce who wouldn't finish a race at Cheltenham a couple of weeks ago and Claimatakinforgan would win at the weekend.

The comment in bold just sounds utterly ridiculous to me if Im honest.

I deffinately diddnt use the word ponce.
Iv also said the whole time claimantakinforgan needs further. As soon as they set of infront and tried to make use of him I knew it would be unlikely he'd win.
We all have opinions. Mines that lalor dosent worry me in the arkle. And iv backed a hand that I'd have no problem seeing them beating him. Kalashnikov Is the one that worries me. And that's my opinion.

You think lalor is the one you've backed him accordingly , best of luck.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

I deffinately diddnt use the word ponce.
Iv also said the whole time claimantakinforgan needs further. As soon as they set of infront and tried to make use of him I knew it would be unlikely he'd win.
We all have opinions. Mines that lalor dosent worry me in the arkle. And iv backed a hand that I'd have no problem seeing them beating him. Kalashnikov Is the one that worries me. And that's my opinion.

You think lalor is the one you've backed him accordingly , best of luck.

Im not necessarily saying I think Lalor is 'the one'... just that he's one that I liked alot for chasing this year and specifically this race. There is an awful lot of water to go under the bridge yet this season and things will change a lot as the season progresses.

I certainly think he should be fav for the race as we stand today though.

 

[Quevega]

Haha, oh I know that feeling :highly_amused:

Going to play devil's advocate now though - will the form for Lalor today, end up being pretty poor?

Defi Du Seuil could well be one season wonder that never makes it in open company.
Claimantakingforgan had moderate hurdles form and now looks in need of a step up to prove his ability.
Pingshou is 8 going on 9 and may never reach his potential after injury...and
Dynamite Dollars is just a classic Nicholls' chaser that inevitably will be plotted quite well but be WAY SHORT of the top grade?

My first thought after the race was that it was a good win, in impressive style at Cheltenham, in the best novice chase of the season so far.
On reflection,the four other horses though all have negatives, and currently will not carry anymore of my money for any festival races.
But, I've have tried to think of other horses the stables have available, and they look like the stable first strings for the arkle to me.
and they are the four leading stables in the UK ish.

So anyone on Lalor is on a solid bet right now IMO.
We'll have to see how Kalshinikov does when he faces better types, and then there's the Irish challengers yet to emerge.

 

[Scooby91]

Im not necessarily saying I think Lalor is 'the one'... just that he's one that I liked alot for chasing this year and specifically this race. There is an awful lot of water to go under the bridge yet this season and things will change a lot as the season progresses.

I certainly think he should be fav for the race as we stand today though.

I respect your opinion and wish you luck.
I deffinately don't think he should be fav. Id be confident there will be atleast 2 and poss a few more ahead of him in the market come chelt. However that's why we have a market. And I'm not always right every time.

Fwiw iv backed cilaos emery any race at 28s getabird at 20s and mengli khan at 20s. Both with 365. Unlikely ill be having another bet in the race And kalshnikov is my only worry.

 

[bobbyvalentino]

Gone back in big on cilaos emery at 28/1 any race.
Top rated over hurdles has a huge record in this. Add in to me he looks a chaser all over.

I dont need fancy comments hes sound and Novice chasing is all I need to know

Following you in on that. Doesn’t seem to be a standout from the comments today.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

My big worry about Lalor is not the form or the horses ability, it's the connections, I said after the race about them possibly bypassing Cheltenham, as they seem more keen on Aintree, then Kayley came out and said Cheltenham wasn't initially on their radar but would be under 'consideration' after that. Now, at 6/1 ante post, or even 10's for those who got on straight after would you really want the race in question only being under consideration? That is poor value IMO, which is why I left him alone.

Once again, fair play to those who got the juicy odds, that's where I'd want to be if I was to have any sort of bet on him.

Unless he turns over Kalashnikov convincingly before we get to the festival I can't see him being a whole lot shorter than 5's on the day anyway, as not one of the main Irish lot have been out yet, then we will get a market made, so would see no point backing him at this present time with the risk of him even turning up in this race.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

I respect your opinion and wish you luck.
I deffinately don't think he should be fav. Id be confident there will be atleast 2 and poss a few more ahead of him in the market come chelt. However that's why we have a market. And I'm not always right every time

I think there could well be too... but until they come out and do anything they shouldn't be shorter would be my point.

It wouldn't surprise me if Mengli Khan and / or Draconien are both better animals and shorter come March... but until they run, its nothing but guesswork. Likewise Kalashnikov. Yes he was a better hurdler,. but he hasn't proven he can wing round Cheltenham at pace over the minimum trip yet. I personally think he might be tapped for toe in an Arkle. On the evidence of this weekend, the Arkle looks absolutely made for Lalor.

Anyway, I don't think any of us can be overly dogmatic about these things... only time will tell.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

My big worry about Lalor is not the form or the horses ability, it's the connections, I said after the race about them possibly bypassing Cheltenham, as they seem more keen on Aintree, then Kayley came out and said Cheltenham wasn't initially on their radar but would be under 'consideration' after that. Now, at 6/1 ante post, or even 10's for those who got on straight after would you really want the race in question only being under consideration? That is poor value IMO, which is why I left him alone.

Once again, fair play to those who got the juicy odds, that's where I'd want to be if I was to have any sort of bet on him.

Unless he turns over Kalashnikov convincingly before we get to the festival I can't see him being a whole lot shorter than 5's on the day anyway, as not one of the main Irish lot have been out yet, then we will get a market made, so would see no point backing him at this present time with the risk of him even turning up in this race.

I would totally agree about connections CoD. But my concern would be whether they can have him in tip top shape for a race like the Arkle, rather than whether he turns up tbh. I think they were naturally more cautious and favouring Aintree simply because his two best runs were there... but having seen that this weekend, I think it will be next to impossible to turn down a tilt at the Arkle.

At least we know he will only have one option at Cheltenham... it could yet be that Kalashnikov gets outpaced somewhere and could become a JLT horse. There is certainly plenty of stamina in his pedigree.

 

[billymag]

Was there anything in the Mullins Stable tour about Cilaso Emery please anyone.

 

[KingSprinterSacre]

Was there anything in the Mullins Stable tour about Cilaso Emery please anyone.

Ive the paper infront of me.
"He had a setback over christmas but is back and will be going over fences. He was a grade 1 winner as a novice hurdler and has the potential to make into a smart novice chaser."

Going to give the rest a read now.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Style de Garde still a complete nutjob!

Got some engine though.... Could he step up to 2m4f for the Novices Handicap Chase?

 

[Scooby91]

Ive the paper infront of me.
"He had a setback over christmas but is back and will be going over fences. He was a grade 1 winner as a novice hurdler and has the potential to make into a smart novice chaser."

Going to give the rest a read now.

Anything on bapaume? He's been cut for this but he's a 3 miler and as far as im aware stays over hurdles.
makes no sense to me.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Anything on bapaume? He's been cut for this but he's a 3 miler and as far as im aware stays over hurdles.
makes no sense to me.

What makes you think he is a 3 miler? Having never won beyond 2m 3 1/2f.

His 5 runs to date over 2m 4f + read 25PU33.

 

[jack1092]

The stable tour said Bapaume was going chasing