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Arkle 2019

ComplyOrDie said:
Looks like a decision has been made for Defi Du Seuil, and it is the JLT, if the exchanges are anything to go by anyway. Extremely weak. 14's to back, zilch to lay for the Arkle.
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Right decision if true....
 
Interesting decision- Not really sure there's a right or wrong one, he could go to either and still be pretty much the same price to win.
 
If they've made the decision now.
It's the wrong decision 100%.
As there is no need.
But the market strongly suggests that if nothing much changes and ground is normal they have sights on the JLT at this stage still.
 
quevega said:
If they've made the decision now.
It's the wrong decision 100%.
As there is no need.
But the market strongly suggests that if nothing much changes and ground is normal they have sights on the JLT at this stage still.
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Nothing other than the exchanges to go on, but thought it was certainly worth noting. I wouldn't suggest it is 100% myself.
 
Just watched the Lalor performance at Cheltenham back. Can't help but think, even after disappointing last time out, that had he performed like that at Cheltenham for hendo/mullins/elliot/nicholls, then he would be a fair bit shorter than 3/1, even more so when you consider the market has been decimated by injuries and non runners. As much as I want Lalor to win a Cilaos Emery return and win would be epic for so many on here
 
charlie said:
Just watched the Lalor performance at Cheltenham back. Can't help but think, even after disappointing last time out, that had he performed like that at Cheltenham for hendo/mullins/elliot/nicholls, then he would be a fair bit shorter than 3/1, even more so when you consider the market has been decimated by injuries and non runners. As much as I want Lalor to win a Cilaos Emery return and win would be epic for so many on here
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I wouldn't say he'd be shorter, not after that last run, but I do think some, including myself I might add, would have more respect for the horse if trained by one of the others, and that is no way to say Kayley Woollacott is not capable of winning an Arkle with Lalor, the difference is the other trainers you mention have done it over time with experience and have earnt that respect. I wish her and the team all the best, I am not on the horse myself, and fair play if she manages to pull it out the bag with Lalor.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I wouldn't say he'd be shorter, not after that last run, but I do think some, including myself I might add, would have more respect for the horse if trained by one of the others, and that is no way to say Kayley Woollacott is not capable of winning an Arkle with Lalor, the difference is the other trainers you mention have done it over time with experience and have earnt that respect. I wish her and the team all the best, I am not on the horse myself, and fair play if she manages to pull it out the bag with Lalor.
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I think your opinion would be a common one and that makes me even more confident he would be shorter if trained by a big name
 
charlie said:
I think your opinion would be a common one and that makes me even more confident he would be shorter if trained by a big name
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True, though I'm not sure the bookmakers would view it quite like I have tbh. They're a bit more savvy than that! It's an open race still IMO. Couldn't see him being shorter either way.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Looks like a decision has been made for Defi Du Seuil, and it is the JLT, if the exchanges are anything to go by anyway. Extremely weak. 14's to back, zilch to lay for the Arkle.
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Makes sense to me... people over thinking the 'need' to switch.

If he was an Arkle horse they'd have run him as well as LR. Not like JP is adverse to whipping out the multi coloured hats.

Favourite for JLT or 2nd fan in Arkle.

I doubt the decision has actually been made yet though?
 
Doubt it has either Kev!

Thom Malone tweeted me back and said he took Patrick's reply as "almost out, but not quite out yet" on CE.....
 
Can't help feeling that Knocknanuss is the forgotten horse of this race. Granted he is a pretty hairy ride but , as they say, all the best two-milers live on the edge and he certainly has an engine. For me, he is an out and out two miler and was always going to find it difficult giving Master Dino 5 pounds over almost 2m 4f; even so it was a really good performance (he also gave the 139 rated Good Man Pat 10 pounds and a 7 length beating in the same race). Got it all wrong at the first at Leopardstown but if he gets as far as and (somewhat) settled down the back at Cheltenham he could well force a few jumping mistakes. Not a horse you really enjoy watching if you've backed him (well,,until afterwards) but 14/1 is tempting
 
Bayoffreedom said:
Can't help feeling that Knocknanuss is the forgotten horse of this race. Granted he is a pretty hairy ride but , as they say, all the best two-milers live on the edge and he certainly has an engine. For me, he is an out and out two miler and was always going to find it difficult giving Master Dino 5 pounds over almost 2m 4f; even so it was a really good performance (he also gave the 139 rated Good Man Pat 10 pounds and a 7 length beating in the same race). Got it all wrong at the first at Leopardstown but if he gets as far as and (somewhat) settled down the back at Cheltenham he could well force a few jumping mistakes. Not a horse you really enjoy watching if you've backed him (well,,until afterwards) but 14/1 is tempting
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They will give him plenty of room anyway.
 
Kevloaf said:
Makes sense to me... people over thinking the 'need' to switch.

If he was an Arkle horse they'd have run him as well as LR. Not like JP is adverse to whipping out the multi coloured hats.

Favourite for JLT or 2nd fan in Arkle.

I doubt the decision has actually been made yet though?
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Probably has, unless we get a torrential 10 days, and ground like last year.
 
Bayoffreedom said:
Can't help feeling that Knocknanuss is the forgotten horse of this race. Granted he is a pretty hairy ride but , as they say, all the best two-milers live on the edge and he certainly has an engine. For me, he is an out and out two miler and was always going to find it difficult giving Master Dino 5 pounds over almost 2m 4f; even so it was a really good performance (he also gave the 139 rated Good Man Pat 10 pounds and a 7 length beating in the same race). Got it all wrong at the first at Leopardstown but if he gets as far as and (somewhat) settled down the back at Cheltenham he could well force a few jumping mistakes. Not a horse you really enjoy watching if you've backed him (well,,until afterwards) but 14/1 is tempting
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Ornua a potentialy fly in the ointment?
They could well get in each others way.

He's certainly not been mentioned much in the 2000+ posts so far but with the race the way it is, can't knock anything really as an each way flyer!
 
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