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Arkle 2018

Be really interesting to see Sceau Royal and Movewiththetimes clash at Cheltenham this week.... I would have Sceau Royal as favourite but Nicholls should have MWTT well schooled and ready to roll, so depending on the prices (obviously) I will be lining up a bet on one of these :highly_amused:
 
Kevloaf said:
Be really interesting to see Sceau Royal and Movewiththetimes clash at Cheltenham this week.... I would have Sceau Royal as favourite but Nicholls should have MWTT well schooled and ready to roll, so depending on the prices (obviously) I will be lining up a bet on one of these :highly_amused:
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I've stuck Movewiththetimes in a cheeky multiple so expect him to fail miserably on Friday
 
Having already backed both for the arkle it will be interesting to see how they fare. Can see the bookies pushing whichever horse loses out to a bigger price and there could be some value in the loser. Similar to Minella Rocco being pushed out after last weekend to a tempting price.
 
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Sceau Royal, Movewiththetimes and North Hill Harvey all confirmed for tomorrow. Even if they don't go on to be successful at the festival, this should prove a competitive race.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Sceau Royal, Movewiththetimes and North Hill Harvey all confirmed for tomorrow. Even if they don't go on to be successful at the festival, this should prove a competitive race.
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Superb. It'll be interesting how they price this up tomorrow
 
Not always accurate, but At The Races do a price forecast...

"Forecast: 15/8 Sceau Royal, 9/4 Movewiththetimes, 3/1 North Hill Harvey, 10/1 Ballyhill, 12/1 Chitu, 14/1 Mick Thonic, 100/1 Presenting William"
 
A super race tomorrow with this race in mind. I have Sceau Royal backed so i'm hoping for another win. He won so well at this meeting last year, has the best form over hurdles (not that that always counts) and has chase experience. In the past he's a horse who has either looked very good against weak opposition or when he has faced decent opponents, either travelled well only to fade rather tamely or put well in his place. Tougher tests will come but I think this race will tell us plenty if he has strengthened up and improved for fences if he can win tomorrow.

Saying that I do think it's of note that Nichols is prepared to let MWTT's make his debut in a race like this (I know he was entered up at Newton Abbot recently only to get withdrawn - whether a slight setback?). He often finds an easier race for his chase debutants so I think that could be telling of his chances and how good he feels the horse is. Add in North Hill Harvey and it's a fascinating race!

Current stance in the race:

2pts @ 16/1 Finians Oscar
2pts @ 14/1 Finians Oscar

1pt @ 13/1 Petit Mouchoir
1pt @ 10/1 Petit Mouchoir (any race)

0.5pt EW @ 33/1 Sceau Royal
 
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Despite sceau royal's size, since his debut when he finished infront of adrien du pont I'd always thought he'd make a fantastic chaser, it was the best round of jumping from a juvenile I still have personally seen, he gets his good ground tomorrow he ran very well at this meeting last year there will be no excuses what so ever if he dosent win. All his best performances over hurdles are on decent ground and I'd like to think chasing is his game, his will to win in a battle however, as of now would be a question mark.

Also strange to think he's the youngest horse out of all these.
 
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Scooby91 said:
his will to win in a battle however, as of now would be a question mark.
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Agreed, to have any chance in the Arkle I think he has to be winning this, where as MWTT's and the others can be forgiven for not winning imo. The concern would be SR just doesn't find anything off the bridle but another year on and now 5 coming on 6 he may just start proving the perception wrong.
 
jono said:
Agreed, to have any chance in the Arkle I think he has to be winning this, where as MWTT's and the others can be forgiven for not winning imo. The concern would be SR just doesn't find anything off the bridle but another year on and now 5 coming on 6 he may just start proving the perception wrong.
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I personally think his best chance would be from the front, using his high cruising speed and his accurate jumping, bringing others out of there comfort zone,
I would agree with everything you just said. And see how he gets on, a decent match up for this time of year, North hill Harvey not out of it tomorrow, not his biggest fan but his novice runs in the supreme and at Aintree read well In regards to a race of this nature.
 
Scooby91 said:
his will to win in a battle however, as of now would be a question mark.
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And one reason why Petit Mouchoir is the bet for me, not only a talented horse but one who is more than ready for any battle, he has no questions regarding his attitude towards the game.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
And one reason why Petit Mouchoir is the bet for me, not only a talented horse but one who is more than ready for any battle, he has no questions regarding his attitude towards the game.
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Really hope he does go arkle. (I think he'd take all the beating) could be dangerous to assume he will though.
 
Never assume he will, after all, on the back of the sad news regarding Fayonagh I just hope the best horses actually make it to the festival.
 
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And one reason why Petit Mouchoir is the bet for me, not only a talented horse but one who is more than ready for any battle, he has no questions regarding his attitude towards the game.
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Jacques ricou made him a man :highly_amused: I genuinely think he gave him a hell of a ride behind long dog and tombstone that day. He's jumped better ever since.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Never assume he will, after all, on the back of the sad news regarding Fayonagh I just hope the best horses actually make it to the festival.
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I agree. Assuming any novice will 'take all the beating' when we're only in October and most of the competition have yet to run, is ambitious.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
I agree. Assuming any novice will 'take all the beating' when we're only in October and most of the competition have yet to run, is ambitious.
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Just my view. But he forms there already to see on novice chasers, the arkle/ jlt 2nds as far back as I can remember wouldn't get near petit mouchoir over Hurdles, obviously it's important that it's a different discipline, but I can't see him being noticeably worse over fences as I was particularly impressed by his jumping, especially correcting himself at the last.
 
After tomorrow theres only chacun, river wylde, brain power, footpad, pingshou could come back, I like bleu berry.
unless something like Destin d'ajonc/ chameron go chasing (lost there novice status over hurdles) there would be nothing that particularly worries me in this years arkle. Some cracking prices to be had. So many runners in this market staying over hurdles.
 
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Melon
Charli Parcs
Divin bere
Cilaos emery
Jenkins
Defi
Mount news
Chtibello
Mr big shot
Air horse one
Defi de seuil
Pingshou (could revert to fences)
All stay over hurdles.

Bacardys
Modus
Yanworth
Death duty
Tombstone
Wait for me
Ballyandy
Willoughby court
Bamako moriviere
Give me a copper
Rather be
Rathvinden
All need further than 2 miles
 
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Scooby91 said:
Melon
Charli Parcs
Divin bere
Cilaos emery
Jenkins
Defi
Mount news
Chtibello
Mr big shot
Air horse one
Defi de seuil
Pingshou (could revert to fences)
All stay over hurdles.

Bacardys
Modus
Yanworth
Death duty
Tombstone
Wait for me
Ballyandy
Willoughby court
Bamako moriviere
Give me a copper
Rather be
Rathvinden
All need further than 2 miles
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You missed Finians Oscar who needs further :highly_amused: but wins this with ease:devilish:

People who don't have 1pt at 20/1 on FO will rue the fact the loaf told them Potts will put this in the wrong race ... And he can't be out the 3 :devilish:
 
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