Arkle 2018

[SAMCRO]

Any idea if Cilaos Emery goes chasing? he would interest me in this if he was to do so.

 

[Kevloaf]

Any idea if Cilaos Emery goes chasing? he would interest me in this if he was to do so.

Ruby gave him as a novice chaser to follow earlier this week... I think this is the target ... 20s available wasn't quite enough to get my cash on yet

 

[ComplyOrDie]

I'd be more concerned that they stepped him up in trip CoD, rather than the fact he spent an extra year over hurdles.

True FM. Though looking through the Giggs horses I'm not sure what else they'd run in the Arkle. They have Death Duty & Tombstone (who has already been beat over 2m this season) as alternatives that would have any chance based on hurdles form and assuming they want a horse in each of the Novice Chases. I'm sure they must have more novice chasers worth noting? Either way, with the 2 above and Petit Mouchoir, you'd take a punt (or at least I have) that their 2m Chase horse will be PM.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

I don't think Gigginstown are particularly bothered about being represented in all of the novice races CoD. Instead, they tend to run the horses in the races that they'll feel suit the horse best.

I think he will probably end up in the Arkle but there is the possibility that PM will be better over further.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

I don't think Gigginstown are particularly bothered about being represented in all of the novice races CoD. Instead, they tend to run the horses in the races that they'll feel suit the horse best.

I think he will probably end up in the Arkle but there is the possibility that PM will be better over further.

Was looking through previous runnings of all the Novice Chases at the festival and it seems you may be right, the only one they ever seem to do any good in of recent times is the RSA, the rest seem to fizzle out to basically nothing, think (don't quote me on it though) Trifolium was the nearest win they had of the other 2 races in the past 5 years, finishing 3rd!

That said, I do think Petit Mouchoir is a different proposition altogether, but that's just my opinion

 

[Kevloaf]

I think 14/1 is a fair price considering the delay coming to chasing and target doubts. I had an each way bet on, and a double with Samcro. One other with death duty.

I won't have any more on but I'm not negative regarding his chances. I like the fact he's with HdB though as he usually eeks out improvements in chasers!

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Nice Kev. I've got a few in trixies with PM & Samcro, hoping they both run in their respective races.

In relation to what FM said also, I notice Hills are 12/1 for PM any race, so I will likely get involved in that too, covers me a little be should be go elsewhere!

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

I'm not negative towards PM either but would just be wary of putting all your eggs in the Arkle basket.

 

[Scooby91]

The Grade One-winning hurdler could start off at Chepstow on Saturday, ground permitting.

"He came with a big reputation last year and has fulfilled that in spades. He is a beautiful horse. Robbie Power schooled him and you would have thought he was a handicap chaser," said Tizzard.

"He could easily end up as an Arkle horse, as he is not short of pace. There is the JLT at Cheltenham now, but the more prestigious race is the Arkle."

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

The Grade One-winning hurdler could start off at Chepstow on Saturday, ground permitting.

"He came with a big reputation last year and has fulfilled that in spades. He is a beautiful horse. Robbie Power schooled him and you would have thought he was a handicap chaser," said Tizzard.

"He could easily end up as an Arkle horse, as he is not short of pace. There is the JLT at Cheltenham now, but the more prestigious race is the Arkle."

Excellent. At least the Arkle is in their thoughts at the moment. :encouragement:

 

[Scooby91]

I'm sure he will go arkle now. The reasoning being. Fox Norton is 100% a Ryanair horse, Colin wanted to run there last year and potts said champion chase. Robbie power said at the end of last year he's a Ryanair horse and tizzard has just come out and said he's going down the champion Chase route.
Clearly potts calls the shots. And fair enough it's his money.

Simular thing happened with de bromhead and sizing John in his novice runs. And with Harrington as after beating sub lieutenant over 2m4 he looked Ryan air bound. Before suddenly going for the Irish gold cup/ chelt gold cup

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

From the ATR website.

HDB stable tour on Petit Mouchior

He’s in really good form and of course we are excited about him. We’re hoping to start him back in a beginners chase in the next few weeks. He might start off at two miles, but I could see him going two-and-a-half miles at some stage. Fingers crossed he takes to fences and can get to a similar level that he did over hurdles.

 

[Kevloaf]

That'd be enough seed of doubt to hold off on Petit Mouchoir, especially now the Arkle has been mentioned for Finian's Oscar!

 

[jono]

I'm sure he will go arkle now. The reasoning being. Fox Norton is 100% a Ryanair horse, Colin wanted to run there last year and potts said champion chase. Robbie power said at the end of last year he's a Ryanair horse and tizzard has just come out and said he's going down the champion Chase route.
Clearly potts calls the shots. And fair enough it's his money.

Simular thing happened with de bromhead and sizing John in his novice runs. And with Harrington as after beating sub lieutenant over 2m4 he looked Ryan air bound. Before suddenly going for the Irish gold cup/ chelt gold cup

I agree Scooby. Very hard to think otherwise from those comments.

I had a free bet on FO for the JLT and I did think that looked to be his best trip this year but I have tonight added 2pts on him for the Arkle at 16/1. The Arkle really does look there for the taking for FO based on hurdles form last year.

 

[Kevloaf]

The more I stare at this market the more I think it is there for the absolute taking with Finian's Oscar!

If he can win over 2m, fences... then with the likelihood at taking on Willoughby Court, Yanworth and possibly Bacardys etc in the JLT/RSA... this race looks there for the taking!

Owner cares about the prestige more than 'a winner' on what we've seen historically and although I don't think they'd swerve a tough race, I can 100% see why they'd aim at the Arkle this season with a view to stepping up in the future if need be! Plus, maybe they've got the bug for the CC with Fox Norton going so close last year....

The only horses I like in the market are Melon, Petit Mouchoir and Charli Parcs and I am not sure any of them are even going togo chasing.... f now FO might end up in a different race, but 6/1 any race vs 16s for this - I might take my chance as I really am starting to think this will be the race he goes for....

Oh I agree JLT may suit him more. I just feel like the JLT will be a deeper race this year and if the arkle is open they might re-route. He's a future gold cup horse so he's probably less likely to go, but I've had 2x £10 free bets on at 16s and I'm happy for now. Was just trying to think outside the box a little

Bumping my own posts here :highly_amused:

I have gone all-in. 10 pts on Finian's Oscar for the Arkle at 16/1. Win only.

The quote today that scooby posted from Tizzard, to me (and I know others) is just absolutely screaming that as long as he is fit and well, they'll go for the more prestigous race.

This race is SO much more winnable than the JLT with the likely runners and 16/1 is absolutely MASSIVE and well worth the gamble compared to 6/1 on "any race" - although 6/1 is still a fair price in my opinion if he turned up here and you get no headache.

This is my first real gamble of my ante-post season, and it may be a little element of over-reacting to a comment, but Tizzard doesn't shirk a challenge, the owner ALWAYS chases the glory and I cannot see how anything is in the same class as this horse.

I know I am not the only one to mention it so highlighting my own comments was just a little bit tongue in cheek, but I am 10 pts deep right now, and just about to start placing some multiples with FO in! (I should add, I had backed Finian's Oscar in the JLT for 3 pts, and 2 pts in multiples, which I obviously need to factor in... but 16s is enough for me to take the hit.)

 

[jono]

I have gone all-in. 10 pts on Finian's Oscar for the Arkle at 16/1. Win only.

16's was/is a CRAZY price but the price often lead me to believe it must not be the race for him, how can he be that price otherwise. Today's quotes though make that irrelevant

A bold move to have 10 points on this far out BUT I can very much see why.

Taking away the level of competition in the Arkle vs JLT and the prestige (which are both big factors) I don't think it'll be lost on the owner that Sizing John took in the Arkle and then went onto the Gold Cup the year after (which is clearly the aim for 2019) either.

 

[Kevloaf]

I don't think you'll be able to get double figures anywhere, for any race, Arkle, JLT or RSA after Saturday afternoons debut, all things going to plan of course!

 

[ComplyOrDie]

From the ATR website.

HDB stable tour on Petit Mouchior

He’s in really good form and of course we are excited about him. We’re hoping to start him back in a beginners chase in the next few weeks. He might start off at two miles, but I could see him going two-and-a-half miles at some stage. Fingers crossed he takes to fences and can get to a similar level that he did over hurdles.

Thanks FM and the rest of the guys that answered a few questions, I think I now need to start getting involved in FO too, more so as cover than anything else, maybe a few smaller multiples then fingers crossed I should end up with either PM or FO for this race, or if in real lucky both of them!

 

[BigChaang]

I don't think you'll be able to get double figures anywhere, for any race, Arkle, JLT or RSA after Saturday afternoons debut, all things going to plan of course!

Correct !! , I reckon your'e right there Kev.

 

[Innoko]

The Grade One-winning hurdler could start off at Chepstow on Saturday, ground permitting.

"He came with a big reputation last year and has fulfilled that in spades. He is a beautiful horse. Robbie Power schooled him and you would have thought he was a handicap chaser," said Tizzard.

"He could easily end up as an Arkle horse, as he is not short of pace. There is the JLT at Cheltenham now, but the more prestigious race is the Arkle."

Where was this quoted Scooby?

16-1 for the Arkle seems to now looks a steal!