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Albert Bartlett 2019

jack1092 said:
Fair enough....so if the horse hadn't made the mistake, going slow wouldn't have been a dopey ride?
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Just watched it again to make sure my thoughts were right and the mistake didn't help but he actually got the horse back on the bridle between the last two flights and was only a length down jumping the last but had not asked the horse for a proper effort. All the while Johnson had been riding a finish on the winner. after a minor mistake at the last he then took a while to get himself organised and by the time the horse knew what was being asked of him it was too late.
A dopey ride for sure in terms of winning today's race.

Not sure about anybody else, but when a horse comes off the bridle in the last four furlongs of a race, then that should be it, jockey rides a finish. I don't like to see them come back on bridle again and cruise as invariably they don't respond the second time, and it confuses them, as it does when a jockey decides to pop a fence or steady a horse over one.

Mccoy rarely did any of the above, neither does johnson.

Having said all that, it was a debut and an education so it was an ok ride, but I'd have preffered to have seen him ride a finish earlier and see how the horse responded, especially after the mistake got him on the back foot for a bit.
 
Nice to see Carefully Selected 'FINALLY' entered up in the Naas Novice Hurdle on Jan 6th. Don't see him taking up the engagement, the grade 2 Guiness Novice Hurdle at Limerick is more likely or maybe if there's a 2m 4f maiden down there at there same meeting.

Willie may end up sending more of his good sorts down to Limerick than usual this Christmas with the ground being more suitable than Punchestown for ones that like to get a toe in.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Fehily does this and it infuriates me :highly_amused:
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I prefer a quiet style to the pushing and shoving.

There are certain jockeys including Fehily, Ruby, Barry and Paul Carberry in the day who often look like they are holding onto more than they have. The jockey who goes for persuader last usually rides best race imo.
 
quevega said:
Just watched it again to make sure my thoughts were right and the mistake didn't help but he actually got the horse back on the bridle between the last two flights and was only a length down jumping the last but had not asked the horse for a proper effort. All the while Johnson had been riding a finish on the winner. after a minor mistake at the last he then took a while to get himself organised and by the time the horse knew what was being asked of him it was too late.
A dopey ride for sure in terms of winning today's race.

Not sure about anybody else, but when a horse comes off the bridle in the last four furlongs of a race, then that should be it, jockey rides a finish. I don't like to see them come back on bridle again and cruise as invariably they don't respond the second time, and it confuses them, as it does when a jockey decides to pop a fence or steady a horse over one.

Mccoy rarely did any of the above, neither does johnson.

Having said all that, it was a debut and an education so it was an ok ride, but I'd have preffered to have seen him ride a finish earlier and see how the horse responded, especially after the mistake got him on the back foot for a bit.
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Think you're being a tad harsh. The horse didn't exactly hurdle fluently throughout, one mistake (probably cost him the race) the horse and jockey were actually lucky to stay in partnership..Obviously the jockey will need to get at the horse after a mistake like that, he lost lots of ground.

He actually rode the horse into the last fence where, again, he was untidy and not fluent. Absolutely no issues with that ride in my opinion- the horse was novicey + that's that.

So if Fehily had got at DG before the mistake, you'd have expected him to have won, and not thrown in any poor jumps (didn't hurdle perfect in the main) ?

Fehily has obviously taken the approach to go steady with the horse, and let him learn his job as he went. Rather than thrash him to bits.
 
jack1092 said:
Think you're being a tad harsh. The horse didn't exactly hurdle fluently throughout, one mistake (probably cost him the race) the horse and jockey were actually lucky to stay in partnership..Obviously the jockey will need to get at the horse after a mistake like that, he lost lots of ground.

He actually rode the horse into the last fence where, again, he was untidy and not fluent. Absolutely no issues with that ride in my opinion- the horse was novicey + that's that.

So if Fehily had got at DG before the mistake, you'd have expected him to have won, and not thrown in any poor jumps (didn't hurdle perfect in the main) ?

Fehily has obviously taken the approach to go steady with the horse, and let him learn his job as he went. Rather than thrash him to bits.
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I'm pretty sure Quevega was talking about Nico and not Fehily, my fault as I brought up Fehily just to muddy the waters :highly_amused:
 
jack1092 said:
Think you're being a tad harsh. The horse didn't exactly hurdle fluently throughout, one mistake (probably cost him the race) the horse and jockey were actually lucky to stay in partnership..Obviously the jockey will need to get at the horse after a mistake like that, he lost lots of ground.

He actually rode the horse into the last fence where, again, he was untidy and not fluent. Absolutely no issues with that ride in my opinion- the horse was novicey + that's that.

So if Fehily had got at DG before the mistake, you'd have expected him to have won, and not thrown in any poor jumps (didn't hurdle perfect in the main) ?

Fehily has obviously taken the approach to go steady with the horse, and let him learn his job as he went. Rather than thrash him to bits.
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Not harsh just detailed analysis. I do this to spot when a horse may be better than the bare result.
The horse and jockey (as a team) didn't hurdle fluently.
He Lost approx 4 lengths max after the mistake. And they'd only just stepped up the pace.
Jockey did well to stay on board, not lucky really.
Technically he rode the horse into the last as he was sat on it, but he did not ask for any extra effort from his horse.
The horse was novicey.
Yes I would have expected the horse to have won. (by the way, I backed the winner and had no money on DG)
No idea how the horse would have jumped had he been a bit more positive sooner, and nobody else does either.
To have no issues with the ride suggests it was perfect, I disagree,
I don't think anyone has suggested anything gets thrashed to bits, have they ?

A question for you.
Do you think Downtown Getaway was the best horse in the race ?

I Do.
 
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mayo said:
I prefer a quiet style to the pushing and shoving.

There are certain jockeys including Fehily, Ruby, Barry and Paul Carberry in the day who often look like they are holding onto more than they have. The jockey who goes for persuader last usually rides best race imo.
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I prefer a style that gets the best out of the horse on the day.
What you're talking about is visually pleasing rides, as a win always feels a bit better when its done COOL.
One of my best festival memories was Harchibald. Still enjoy watching that and he lost. And I backed him.

I wasn't actually talking about overall style, more about once a horse has to be ridden within a race and how I prefer this to be sustained and not intermittent. And the timing of the run/effort is also vital on the jockey's part.
 
quevega said:
Not harsh just detailed analysis. I do this to spot when a horse may be better than the bare result.
The horse and jockey (as a team) didn't hurdle fluently.
He Lost approx 4 lengths max after the mistake. And they'd only just stepped up the pace.
Jockey did well to stay on board, not lucky really.
Technically he rode the horse into the last as he was sat on it, but he did not ask for any extra effort from his horse.
The horse was novicey.
Yes I would have expected the horse to have won. (by the way, I backed the winner and had no money on DG)
No idea how the horse would have jumped had he been a bit more positive sooner, and nobody else does either.
I don't think anyone has suggested anything gets thrashed to bits, have they ?

A question for you.
Do you think Downtown Getaway was the best horse in the race ?

I Do.
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Nobody has a clue what a more positive ride would bring, but the horse jumped novicey as you say which leads me to think there's every chance the mistakes happen anyway- either way i don't think riding it patiently is "dopey".
Jockey did well to stay on a bad mistake- the main reason the race was lost in my book is a novicey jump that makes them lucky to stay as a partnership, ie, close to a fall. The jump looks to me to be the horses error having watched it back about 5 times.

Best horse in the race, that's fairly obvious. The horse has done very well to come back from a mistake or two and finish where it has- the horse has been fragile since NH got it (according to ML on twitter). That's got very little to do with the ride for me in this instance.
 
I said fairly dopey. not quite as bad as dopey.
I relented to a bit dopey, not bad.
But it wasn't perfect by any means.
Ask Nico and I'd bet he'd gently critique himself and not simply blame the animal.
The best jockeys analyse every defeat and what they could have done differently, if they don;t then they're shit.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I wouldn't have him as a Bartlett horse myself.
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I agree with this based on today.

They pace was way too slow to have brought stamina in to it as a major factor.

Johnson rode the best race by miles, had the best position all the way through the race.

I agree with others that Downtown Getaway is the best horse in that race and I'd imagine he'd be favourite against Tidal Flow next time they met, as that mistake was obvious.

I think DG showed class to get back in to the race so quickly after the error.... wouldn't go over board with him though based on today. Just one to keep in the tracker.
 
He did travel really well and I'd say Bartlett was more likely due to him running in this race as a start
and visually when really asked for an effort off a slow pace after the last hurdle, He didn't really quicken like I'd have wanted for a potential champion over the 2 and half mile trip.
But it's really difficult to be sure, to be sure.
 
quevega said:
He did travel really well and I'd say Bartlett was more likely due to him running in this race as a start
and visually when really asked for an effort off a slow pace after the last hurdle, He didn't really quicken like I'd have wanted for a potential champion over the 2 and half mile trip.
But it's really difficult to be sure, to be sure.
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Yeah I see what you're saying - as an overall profile he may end up in the AB - purely on the run today I wouldn't fancy him in it... but it's one run. He did travel well, but any good horse would have done off that gallop.

I just didn't watch it and think "that's crying out for the Albert Bartlett" - Equally, I didn't think he was crying out to say he'd have the pace required to win a Ballymore... but again, it is just one run. He might improve loads next time and make my doubts look redundant.
 
I had Downtown Getaway come out of hiding for Henderson this week and tomorrow I’m hoping for a big run from Gallahers Cross who has finally made it to the track and looks like he’s going down the Potato route that I was hoping for.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
I had Downtown Getaway come out of hiding for Henderson this week and tomorrow I’m hoping for a big run from Gallahers Cross who has finally made it to the track and looks like he’s going down the Potato route that I was hoping for.
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Same for me Jackie. Starting off at 2m5 certainly suggests this race. Still 33/1 with b365 which I'm tempted to add before he runs
 
jono said:
Same for me Jackie. Starting off at 2m5 certainly suggests this race. Still 33/1 with b365 which I'm tempted to add before he runs
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With Bet365 you can’t go wrong adding before he runs at that price.
 
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