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With the potential announcement next week of Affordability Checks becoming 'official', then maybe it would be of value to everyone on this Forum if FJ's share their views around this topic so that we can learn from each other, learn from those that have gone through the process and maybe form a best practice approach when the Enemy knocks on your door?.......also what to expect and do if we say NO.
Maybe as a starter for ten:
1) Have you been approached by a bookmaker for financial information under the guise of GC guidance? - what did they request? - did you comply? - what was the process? - if you didn't comply what happened?
2) If you haven't been approached by a bookmaker yet, then WHEN you are (NOT IF YOU ARE) what do propose to do when they ask for your personal and financial information?
Based upon yesterdays RP article, then i'd suggest that ALL FJ's will be asked for invasive financial information if the GC get their way and next week announce that Affordability checks are now 'official'.
For me , then i am in the camp of not wishing to comply, based mainly upon principle but also because i don't trust the bookmakers to protect my data. Whilst there maybe data protection laws, then i can picture these data collection admin offices, operated by minimum wage spotty teenagers undertaking a laborious administrative task which will be ripe for leaks and unprofessionalism. Also this huge amount of personal financial information will have a monetary value to anyone who holds it, or has access to it.
If i refuse to comply and do not provide financial information, then from what i have read, my account will be 'temporarily' suspended/frozen with no bets taken and no withdrawals allowed. How long does this last in reality? - if they then decide to close your account, do they return all 'balance' monies? - what happens to AP bets - are they voided and stakes returned or let run? - i suspect voided, which i think is unfair and potentially open to challenge as their tradable value maybe more than the actual stakes. Should we as FJ's incorporate this into our thinking with our 2027 festival bets if our position is to not comply with providing financial data?
- i believe bookmakers may have different rules as to how to deal with closed accounts, so does this further impact our approach?
- maybe the easier way to deal with this issue is to simply comply? - if we do this could the outcome be that due to the bookmakers having more information about our income that they become more active with prompts/interaction with our betting? - with AP book building then we may need to have some larger than usual stakes to balance the book and maybe restricted upon their view of our 'affordability'?
- if we are driven to 'black market' bookmakers as a result of this draconian policy, them how do we find them? - are we confident about their ability/willingness to pay? - what happens if we get a little AP multiple up?
Lots of questions i know, but i see this as a threat to doing something i thoroughly enjoy and have enjoyed for the last 40 or so years and would ideally like to plan and defend against the potential impact, rather than simply reacting to it once it happens.
Maybe as a starter for ten:
1) Have you been approached by a bookmaker for financial information under the guise of GC guidance? - what did they request? - did you comply? - what was the process? - if you didn't comply what happened?
2) If you haven't been approached by a bookmaker yet, then WHEN you are (NOT IF YOU ARE) what do propose to do when they ask for your personal and financial information?
Based upon yesterdays RP article, then i'd suggest that ALL FJ's will be asked for invasive financial information if the GC get their way and next week announce that Affordability checks are now 'official'.
For me , then i am in the camp of not wishing to comply, based mainly upon principle but also because i don't trust the bookmakers to protect my data. Whilst there maybe data protection laws, then i can picture these data collection admin offices, operated by minimum wage spotty teenagers undertaking a laborious administrative task which will be ripe for leaks and unprofessionalism. Also this huge amount of personal financial information will have a monetary value to anyone who holds it, or has access to it.
If i refuse to comply and do not provide financial information, then from what i have read, my account will be 'temporarily' suspended/frozen with no bets taken and no withdrawals allowed. How long does this last in reality? - if they then decide to close your account, do they return all 'balance' monies? - what happens to AP bets - are they voided and stakes returned or let run? - i suspect voided, which i think is unfair and potentially open to challenge as their tradable value maybe more than the actual stakes. Should we as FJ's incorporate this into our thinking with our 2027 festival bets if our position is to not comply with providing financial data?
- i believe bookmakers may have different rules as to how to deal with closed accounts, so does this further impact our approach?
- maybe the easier way to deal with this issue is to simply comply? - if we do this could the outcome be that due to the bookmakers having more information about our income that they become more active with prompts/interaction with our betting? - with AP book building then we may need to have some larger than usual stakes to balance the book and maybe restricted upon their view of our 'affordability'?
- if we are driven to 'black market' bookmakers as a result of this draconian policy, them how do we find them? - are we confident about their ability/willingness to pay? - what happens if we get a little AP multiple up?
Lots of questions i know, but i see this as a threat to doing something i thoroughly enjoy and have enjoyed for the last 40 or so years and would ideally like to plan and defend against the potential impact, rather than simply reacting to it once it happens.