2027 The Prices on Offer

[Ellisgittings]

I welcome being shot down like a clay pigeon and being told I’m a mentalist…

But 40/1 The New Lion for Stayers?

I’m aware being targeted at CH this year and how he’s been campaigned means that’ll likely go again, but winning the turners over 2m5 last year, I watched this year’s CH and just thought he was running on one paced….and could be one for the stayers.

Can anyone to talk me out of just pissing cash up the wall though

I've taken this too. Could go chasing but he's 7 rising 8 and JP well stacked in the chasing division so happy to take the risk at the odds to be honest

 

[Ellisgittings]

If I was to guess
Kabral kept for Aintree
TNL Champion Burdle
MDP Arkle
Maestro Conti handicap

FWIW they talked about Maestro being a future 3m chaser before the triumph, doubt the race has changed their mind on that front

 

[Hurricane fly]

FWIW they talked about Maestro being a future 3m chaser before the triumph, doubt the race has changed their mind on that front

Jack Richards would enter equations I imagine to help build him up slowly.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Played a fair few early doors.

Have Old Park Star covered for the Arkle already from the festival specials after he obliged in the Supreme.

Used Gaelic Warrior in the Gold Cup to get Mydaddypaddy (Arkle) in the book using a free bet too @ 23.5/1.

Used a freebie on Act Of Innocence (Arkle) @ 25/1.

Air Of Entitlement, as mentioned in the March Yankee thread, for the Mares Hurdle @ 16/1.

The Mourne Rambler @ 33/1 for the Turners is a right insult. Gordon or Willie and he's a 10/1-12/1 shot, tops.

El Cairos @ 66/1 for the Champion Hurdle. Gordon would love to win this race and I think the Champion Hurdle would suit him more than what the Supreme did, even though he ran with plenty of credit considering his lack of experience.

Kings Bucks @ 66/1 for the BANC. This was pre-Bartlett, and kinda regretting this one now. Thought he'd run a whole lot better than he did. That said, he's bred to be a chaser so I can still see lots of improvement to come from him.

Kappa Jy Pyke a free bet @ 33/1 for the Ryanair.

The New Lion @ 33/1 for the Stayers. Hopefully do a Nicholls Canyon, from Champion Hurdle to Stayers.

Kaid D'Authie @ 66/1 for the Gold Cup. Wasn't out of the BANC before coming down. Form ties in plenty from this season with the two that went clear and finished 1st & 2nd.

No Drama This End @ 33/1 for the BANC. No race in the Turners. Not sure what the ride was about. Maybe just didn't have the tactical speed to keep tabs, better up in trip and a fence. 3m Aintree up next by the sounds of it.

A freebie on Narciso Has for the Champion Hurdle @ 20/1. Think he would have won the Triumph, personally. Doctor Dino solid enough record in the Champion Hurdle, too.

Espresso Milan 50/1 for the BANC. Best of the Mullins Bartlett battalion. Actually travelled well for a fair way before fading away tamely 2 from home. Looks built for a fence though.

Mighty Park @ 16/1 for the BANC. Obvious one really. A maiden win over hurdles before being taken off his feet over 2m, which I thought may happen. Physically and on breeding looks a 3m chaser in the making though.

 

[Hurricane fly]

Do you think Henderson would aim his main two at the same race? Especially under the same ownership, any thoughts on AOI for BANC?

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Do you think Henderson would aim his main two at the same race? Especially under the same ownership, any thoughts on AOI for BANC?

No, I think Old Park Star is number one, but should anything happen to him I think Act Of Innocence could slot in. Only interested in using free bets on him and not cash.

Don't see Act Of Innocence as a 3 miler at Cheltenham, personally. May be a King George / Ryanair type in the future, but 3m at Cheltenham, not for me.

 

[jrjr]

How about Kawaboomga for the BANC.

As a novice hurdler Willie talked about him appreciating the extra distance of the Turners. I reckon he’ll go novice chasing next season and all roads will lead to the BANC.

He looked in good health on his recent reappearance and, once again, did his best work at the end of the race. I don’t know what his upcoming plans are but a good showing at one of the spring festivals will see his current price disappear. 50/1 with Flutter.

 

[Exar Essay]

How about Kawaboomga for the BANC.

As a novice hurdler Willie talked about him appreciating the extra distance of the Turners. I reckon he’ll go novice chasing next season and all roads will lead to the BANC.

He looked in good health on his recent reappearance and, once again, did his best work at the end of the race. I don’t know what his upcoming plans are but a good showing at one of the spring festivals will see his current price disappear. 50/1 with Flutter.

I’ve covered him for both. But I feel 2m is more likely. Willie doesn’t have any obvious 2m candidates presently. Neither does JP. He seemed to have a bit of boot about him last year too.

I was looking at Saint Des Saints the other day and was surprised to see almost all of the better ones he’s damsired are 2 - 2.5 milers too, although some are getting 3 later in their careers.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

I’ve covered him for both. But I feel 2m is more likely. Willie doesn’t have any obvious 2m candidates presently. Neither does JP. He seemed to have a bit of boot about him last year too.

I was looking at Saint Des Saints the other day and was surprised to see almost all of the better ones he’s damsired are 2 - 2.5 milers too, although some are getting 3 later in their careers.

Certainly unsure about his trip myself too.

Agree about Saint Des Saints as well. Because of Djakadam I used to always think of them as 3m chasers, which, of course, in time, they can end up at but early enough in their careers they can be 2-2.5 milers as you note.

 

[Speedy17]

The Mourne Rambler going to be a Supreme horse surely? His times are fast and all the trainer says is how fast this horse is, especially turn of foot, I'd say it would be odds on he goes down the Supreme route.

The others I like are OPS Arkle but that's too short, Kings Rasko Grey for the Browns but that's a bit of a chancer, Grey Dawning for Ryanair and White Noise 50/1 for Mares Hurdle.

 

[Hurricane fly]

Certainly unsure about his trip myself too.

Agree about Saint Des Saints as well. Because of Djakadam I used to always think of them as 3m chasers, which, of course, in time, they can end up at but early enough in their careers they can be 2-2.5 milers as you note.

he’s one who will suffer for no midtrip graded race I think

How far out do the likes of JP and Willie plot a handicap….his top RPR is only 146 - can’t see an OR - could be fruitful

 

[EnvoiAlien]

Sixmilebridge Ryanair 33/1 Hills looks decent, form from the Scilly Isles looks strong.
Beat Kala Conti easily, KC had just beaten Kargese (Arkle winner) with Break My Soul back in 4th (3rd in Grand Annual), prior to that KC beat Jasmin De Grugy (2nd to The Big Westerner then won a nothing race over fences, 2nd in mares hurdle).3rd was Miami Magic who had previously beaten Regents Stroll (3rd in Jack Richards) who came out next time and won at Newbury by 16 lengths, Kitzbuhel unseated but was never going to win, previously had won the Kauto Star at Kempton, won the Browns last week with ease.
Already won a chase round the new course by a distance, has won round the new course twice but was disqualified for the hurdles win.
If he continues to improve next season he'll not be a 33/1 shot, and for my money he isn't one right now either.

 

[CJW]

Sixmilebridge Ryanair 33/1 Hills looks decent, form from the Scilly Isles looks strong.
Beat Kala Conti easily, KC had just beaten Kargese (Arkle winner) with Break My Soul back in 4th (3rd in Grand Annual), prior to that KC beat Jasmin De Grugy (2nd to The Big Westerner then won a nothing race over fences, 2nd in mares hurdle).3rd was Miami Magic who had previously beaten Regents Stroll (3rd in Jack Richards) who came out next time and won at Newbury by 16 lengths, Kitzbuhel unseated but was never going to win, previously had won the Kauto Star at Kempton, won the Browns last week with ease.
Already won a chase round the new course by a distance, has won round the new course twice but was disqualified for the hurdles win.
If he continues to improve next season he'll not be a 33/1 shot, and for my money he isn't one right now either.

Nice case made Apparently could be going over to fairyhouse for the grade 1 there.

What if it's good ground at the festival though

 

[riccirich]

The Mourne Rambler going to be a Supreme horse surely? His times are fast and all the trainer says is how fast this horse is, especially turn of foot, I'd say it would be odds on he goes down the Supreme route.

The others I like are OPS Arkle but that's too short, Kings Rasko Grey for the Browns but that's a bit of a chancer, Grey Dawning for Ryanair and White Noise 50/1 for Mares Hurdle.

He was beaten in his point to point, and trainer said something after his win on Wednesday as well about needing to work on his jumping, so he's one where i'd be a little bit wary of him transferring his bumper form to obstacles.

Not saying he's going to be terrible over obstacles or anything, was only beaten by a narrow margin in his point by a horse who went close on his first run for skelton. And trainer also said he'd target the supreme too. He's just one I could see easily going up in trip if his jumping isnt brilliant as his trainer indicated might be the case.

 

[Exar Essay]

That bumper is a bugger’s muddle. The ground has turned it on its head. I think there’s some very good horses in there, but I’ve no idea which ones.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

The Mourne Rambler going to be a Supreme horse surely? His times are fast and all the trainer says is how fast this horse is, especially turn of foot, I'd say it would be odds on he goes down the Supreme route.

Quite possibly will turn out to be. Breeding is a mixed bag. But I'd say the majority of Well Chosens go out in trip. Obviously Old Park Star didn't, but he's trained by the master of 2 milers, IMO.

He's certainly a tricky one to call right now. I went with what I thought was the value bet. 14's top for the Supreme I think, and 33's for the Turners. I was surprised he was that big.

Noel Meade has won all three novice hurdle races before, so no clue on that front, either.

 

[EnvoiAlien]

That bumper is a bugger’s muddle. The ground has turned it on its head. I think there’s some very good horses in there, but I’ve no idea which ones.

Liked Diamant Dore from the bumper,caught on the inside throughout, tried to get a run coming down the hill but got caught on heels with nowhere to go, went back inside and still got no gap, when it appeared he ran on for 5th, with a better passage I have him challenging the first pair in the final furlong, he's another who'd have wanted softer going imo, same sire as Majborough and the dams only other NH horse has been doing most of its racing over 2m3f+ trips, the way he finished & given what we know from the breeding I'm getting him onside for the Turners when he gets priced up, at the moment only Unibet have him in the market at 40/1, I like the price, I'm unsure about the bookie so am waiting for the time being.

Mets Ta Ceinture for the mares novice is in my notes too, great run given how keen she was through the race, already a Grade 3 winner in France if she improves for a hurdler, and learns to settle in her races, she could be back here next season with every chance of a win against her own sex.

 

[Exar Essay]

Liked Diamant Dore from the bumper,caught on the inside throughout, tried to get a run coming down the hill but got caught on heels with nowhere to go, went back inside and still got no gap, when it appeared he ran on for 5th, with a better passage I have him challenging the first pair in the final furlong, he's another who'd have wanted softer going imo, same sire as Majborough and the dams only other NH horse has been doing most of its racing over 2m3f+ trips, the way he finished & given what we know from the breeding I'm getting him onside for the Turners when he gets priced up, at the moment only Unibet have him in the market at 40/1, I like the price, I'm unsure about the bookie so am waiting for the time being.

Mets Ta Ceinture for the mares novice is in my notes too, great run given how keen she was through the race, already a Grade 3 winner in France if she improves for a hurdler, and learns to settle in her races, she could be back here next season with every chance of a win against her own sex.

Yeh I really liked him going into it. But that run put me off a little. That’s the second time he’s acted the maggot when asked for his effort.

Mets Ta Centure - definitely.

I’d forgive all of Willie’s too. They’ll be much better for worse ground.

We learned last year that the best horses aren’t necessarily those at the head of affairs in the bumper. It was quite a similar race this year too, the way it unfolded and with less fancied horses coming home well.

 

[Wayward Lad]

Not sure the Cheltenham Bumper is a good route for the Supreme based upon recent results……..a fair few end up needing a trip, regardless of whether they run in the Turners or not the following year

 

[Eggs]

Not sure the Cheltenham Bumper is a good route for the Supreme based upon recent results……..a fair few end up needing a trip, regardless of whether they run in the Turners or not the following year

….i think it’s Meade’s first ever CB winner, although he has had success in Supreme with Sausalito Bay and Go Native, and Turners with Nicanor. I don’t think any of those ran in a CB.

Be interesting what the plan is.