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2026 Stayers Hurdle

FinalFurlong91 said:
Yup this

Though i do think he was beaten before stamina came into play today
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He's probably just not that good. His Ballymore win was one of the poorest races I've seen depth wise. Just been hyped up by Willie and co.
 
Lobos said:
He's probably just not that good. His Ballymore win was one of the poorest races I've seen depth wise. Just been hyped up by Willie and co.
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I guess if they were planning on running teahupoo more this season he may not have been as fit for reappearance as usual
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
I guess if they were planning on running teahupoo more this season he may not have been as fit for reappearance as usual
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Teahupoo actually looks like he's improved to me. Could be the opposition in decline though.
 
Willie Mullins in all sorts of bother with his form.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Willie Mullins in all sorts of bother with his form.
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Yeah it’s really odd. Some of the unheralded and lesser fancies ones are going in. King Rasko, You Proof, that bumper winner, all easy to back and won readily enough.

I think the more established horses are fine. GDC probably needed the run and his others in behind ran well enough. I don’t think Ballyburn stays. Majborough perhaps isn’t up to it. But the novices are struggling.
 
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Exar Essay said:
Yeah it’s really odd. Some of the unheralded and lesser fancies ones are going in. King Rasko, You Proof, that bumper winner, all easy to back and won readily enough.

I think the more established horses are fine. GDC probably needed the run and his others in behind ran well enough. I don’t think Ballyburn stays. Majborough perhaps isn’t up to it. But the novices are struggling.
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It could be a case of leaving the novices that they rate the highest short of fitness, as those are the ones they want to be peaking in spring. Whereas the ones such as you mentioned above, aren't high in the pecking order at the moment, so they may have them more forward to find out how good they are. Or maybe the ones that were hyped are just all shit 😂
 
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Well, that’s Mystical Power done and dusted for the stayers

Been keeping an eye on him for a handicap but starting to feel this horse has issues (??)

I’ll back him for something like the coral. Jimmy won it off 146. MP down to 151 before today’s race, they may be able to work this down further by another no show before the fez
 
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riccirich said:
It could be a case of leaving the novices that they rate the highest short of fitness, as those are the ones they want to be peaking in spring. Whereas the ones such as you mentioned above, aren't high in the pecking order at the moment, so they may have them more forward to find out how good they are. Or maybe the ones that were hyped are just all shit 😂
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Yeah I do worry it may be the latter. I suppose DDM aside, the horses who’ve been at Willie’s at least a year seem to be running ok. And DDM probably ran into one (and certainly had some condition on him). It’s the new crop (bumper horses and French recruits) that seem to be struggling.

So perhaps the 4-week delay has really scuppered their early acclimatisation at Closutton. I know P2P form is hard to trust, but Lord Rouge was second to Heldam. LR won very well FTO, yet Heldam was disgraced in his bumper.

… or perhaps recruitment has been a little off this year.
 
It surprised me that in the Hattons Grace, Ballyburn took a fair bit of cover as and stayed on well to the line, yet at Leopardstown they were up with the pace and chased the leader.

IMO the tactics should have been the opposite for the respective races.

I wouldn't be giving up on him for this race if he can get cover and be ridden cold enough, a bit like Bob last season.
 
Exar Essay said:
Yeah I do worry it may be the latter. I suppose DDM aside, the horses who’ve been at Willie’s at least a year seem to be running ok. And DDM probably ran into one (and certainly had some condition on him). It’s the new crop (bumper horses and French recruits) that seem to be struggling.

So perhaps the 4-week delay has really scuppered their early acclimatisation at Closutton. I know P2P form is hard to trust, but Lord Rouge was second to Heldam. LR won very well FTO, yet Heldam was disgraced in his bumper.

… or perhaps recruitment has been a little off this year.
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Those aqps bumper types often take a run or two to get going over hurdles, so the likes of leader dallier could be one that improves a fair bit with another run or two, as I thought his jumping was a bit sticky. Off the top of my head, karoline banbou and karbau last season came from those bumpers and made noticeable improvement from first to second run.

One thing id say about heldam, is I heard he won a schooling bumper at willies, but I dont know how vigorously they ride them in those. And he did travel well at leopardstown but found nothing. So possible he was just the best of them on the bridle at home. The horse lord rouge beat was well beaten again too at leopardstown. I definitely wouldn't give up on heldam after one run but id be hoping he was just unfit, as the form line and winning the schooling bumper wouldn't fill me with loads of confidence.
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
It surprised me that in the Hattons Grace, Ballyburn took a fair bit of cover as and stayed on well to the line, yet at Leopardstown they were up with the pace and chased the leader.

IMO the tactics should have been the opposite for the respective races.

I wouldn't be giving up on him for this race if he can get cover and be ridden cold enough, a bit like Bob last season.
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What else has Willie got for the Stayers, apart from maybe Storm Heart and Poniros?…..both of which Paul could ride

Just been altogether to disappointing for my liking, was touted as GC material after his Ballymore romp and 2/5 to win last years BANC

Also not sure he truly gets 3m
 
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Wayward Lad said:
What else has Willie got for the Stayers, apart from maybe Storm Heart and Poniros?…..both of which Paul could ride

Just been altogether to disappointing for my liking, was touted as GC material after his Ballymore romp and 2/5 to win last years BANC

Also not sure he truly gets 3m
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I'd watch out for jimmy du seuil possibly reverting to hurdles. Not right now, but if he happened to jump poorly again next time out. The fact he beat impose toi in the Coral Cup wouldn't be lost on them.
 
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riccirich said:
I'd watch out for jimmy du seuil possibly reverting to hurdles. Not right now, but if he happened to jump poorly again next time out. The fact he beat impose toi in the Coral Cup wouldn't be lost on them.
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Absolutely. Nrnb hills on Thursday for me
 
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