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2026 Ryanair Chase

Brooker17 said:
Do you not think its unlikely both go for the gold cup?
Im working on the assumption that one will go gold cup and one will go here.
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Maybe. I'm of the opinion if JP wanted Jonbon to have a shoe in for the Ryanair then he'd supplement F2F for the GC then tell Willie that he has to run Gaelic in the Gold Cup or he'll remove all his horses from him.
 
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Lobos said:
Maybe. I'm of the opinion if JP wanted Jonbon to have a shoe in for the Ryanair then he'd supplement F2F for the GC then tell Willie that he has to run Gaelic in the Gold Cup or he'll remove all his horses from him.
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I cant tell if you are being serious or not?
 
BigL said:
I take it back then, I thought she shortened up for mares as soon as she fell against stateman.
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Yes it was off the back of the Mullins Sporting Life stable tour he’d said they were sticking to the two year plan with her, but right at the end he added that she’ll be left in the Mares as well.
Maybe I’m being naive, but I genuinely think Mullins keeps his plans as fluid as possible for as long as he can and a decisions wouldn't have been made yet. I think he will want Ricci to have a winner whether that’s Gaelic in this or Lossie in the Mares.
 
FredFlintstone said:
Yes it was off the back of the Mullins Sporting Life stable tour he’d said they were sticking to the two year plan with her, but right at the end he added that she’ll be left in the Mares as well.
Maybe I’m being naive, but I genuinely think Mullins keeps his plans as fluid as possible for as long as he can and a decisions wouldn't have been made yet. I think he will want Ricci to have a winner whether that’s Gaelic in this or Lossie in the Mares.
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Theres an argument to be made that if he wants to get ricci a winner, going for the champion with lossie might be easier than going for the mares.

If you were to go off official ratings, beating wodhooh off levels should be harder than beating golden ace off levels, and beating the new lion when getting 7lbs. Brighterdaysahead is the only one that should be harder to beat than wodhooh on ratings, but she's underwhelmed on both runs at cheltenham, so theres real doubt whether she'll run near her 160 rating there.

Imo theres enough doubt about which race is harder to win, that it would be baffling if they went for the smaller race, especially when they have nothing else in the champion that theyd be confident in.
 
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riccirich said:
Theres an argument to be made that if he wants to get ricci a winner, going for the champion with lossie might be easier than going for the mares.

If you were to go off official ratings, beating wodhooh off levels should be harder than beating golden ace off levels, and beating the new lion when getting 7lbs. Brighterdaysahead is the only one that should be harder to beat than wodhooh on ratings, but she's underwhelmed on both runs at cheltenham, so theres real doubt whether she'll run near her 160 rating there.

Imo theres enough doubt about which race is harder to win, that it would be baffling if they went for the smaller race, especially when they have nothing else in the champion that theyd be confident in.
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Let us also not forget - Woodhooh on the new course where she won the Martin Pipe last year, rather than the old which is where Lossie's mid distance form is.

I'm personally not sure that Lossie has the cruising speed for champion 2 mile pace, but given how game she is and the field for the Champion, if I trained her I would favour that over the mares
 
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robith said:
Let us also not forget - Woodhooh on the new course where she won the Martin Pipe last year, rather than the old which is where Lossie's mid distance form is.

I'm personally not sure that Lossie has the cruising speed for champion 2 mile pace, but given how game she is and the field for the Champion, if I trained her I would favour that over the mares
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Yeah I'd say wodhooh is closer to a three miler and lossie is closer to a two miler, so even that change to the new course is in wodhoohs favour imo.

At aintree on quick ground there was less than three lengths between them, and I think the extra stamina test at cheltenham is in wodhoohs favour, not to mention she's younger and if any of them has more improvement in them, it'll be wodhooh.

So its not as if there heading off to the mares for a walkover. I'd make her fave for both races but think they would be close enough races in both, so it would make sense to go for the much better race. They'd still have the mares hurdle second fave too in jade de grugy, whereas in the champion they'd have poniros fourth in the betting.
 
robith said:
Let us also not forget - Woodhooh on the new course where she won the Martin Pipe last year, rather than the old which is where Lossie's mid distance form is.

I'm personally not sure that Lossie has the cruising speed for champion 2 mile pace, but given how game she is and the field for the Champion, if I trained her I would favour that over the mares
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She has won 2 of the best trials for the CH this season and her win in the International hurdle slamming Love Envoi long lives in the memory bank. The way she travelled and quickened that day was poetry. She's just a different animal around Cheltenham and looks untouchable at the course.
 
O’Brien has previously suggested Banbridge could wait for Aintree this time around, but he could yet be part of his Cheltenham-bound squad.

“He’ll be left in and it does like the forecast is drying up in fairness,” O’Brien added.

“He’ll be left in both races and then we’ll have a discussion with Ronnie (Bartlett, owner) closer to the time.

“I suppose the Ryanair would be more likely than the Gold Cup, but it’s probably wrong to even say that because we’ll have to see what way the forecast is looking and all that sort of stuff as well.

“We’ll leave options open and make our decisions late.”
 
Has FTF been confirmed as coming here now ? Very short on bfx and Gaelic has took a walk by the looks of it
 
Pisto said:
Has FTF been confirmed as coming here now ? Very short on bfx and Gaelic has took a walk by the looks of it
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Mullins comments were making it sound like ryanair could be likely, probably led to him shortening another bit, although not sure he was much bigger yesterday anyway.
 
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FTF now been matched on the exchanges at odds on, 1.94 to be exact!

But no decision has been made....
 
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Decision was made a week or two ago when he went from 6 into evens. Hard to believe a word owners/trainers/jockeys say in this game
 
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BigL said:
Decision was made a week or two ago when he went from 6 into evens. Hard to believe a word owners/trainers/jockeys say in this game
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Definitely not. You only have to see what happened to Marine today to know that everything can change just like that.
 
Lobos said:
Definitely not. You only have to see what happened to Marine today to know that everything can change just like that.
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Yes it can change but someone out there thought it was a done deal, doubt it was just a random person trying their luck
 
BigL said:
Yes it can change but someone out there thought it was a done deal, doubt it was just a random person trying their luck
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It was only 2-3 big enough bets initially that sparked all the attention, bets in the range of 500-1000 quid, and then thats what got the attention of twitter, and all of a sudden that money was definitely from people in the know and the decision had been made.

That money may well have been from people who know, more often than not it is correct, but its a gamble in itself to assume that. Theres also a chance it was just punters who had a very good position on gaelic warrior for the race, and thought they might as well take the big enough prices on fact to file as cover, if they believe whichever one runs in it wins it. Or just a casual with plenty of cash to throw around taking a chance. And all of a sudden those bets are being talked about all over twitter and here as "in the know" money, regular punters see that and take it as fact, and then everyone's having theyre 20 quid or 50 quid on him for the ryanair, which continues to drive the price down.

More often than not though, the market does tell the tale and he's going for the ryanair, but the above scenario has happened many times in the past.
 
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Just reading the earlier discussion, I reckon Joseph and Ronnie would actually fancy their chances of taking Fact To File down with Banbridge on quicker ground. I can’t have the ‘doesn’t act at Cheltenham’ line at all. He patently does. I could accept the argument that he doesn’t get home over the Gold Cup trip though.

Also if they had no intention of running they wouldn’t enter at all. Clearly the entry is ground dependent though, so nrnb at 8/1 each way for a race that is going to cut up to less than 8 runners strikes me as a stonking good bet. A good win chance, if he stands up he has to place, and money back if they don’t declare. What’s not to like?
 
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Spectre said:
Just reading the earlier discussion, I reckon Joseph and Ronnie would actually fancy their chances of taking Fact To File down with Banbridge on quicker ground. I can’t have the ‘doesn’t act at Cheltenham’ line at all. He patently does. I could accept the argument that he doesn’t get home over the Gold Cup trip though.

Also if they had no intention of running they wouldn’t enter at all. Clearly the entry is ground dependent though, so nrnb at 8/1 each way for a race that is going to cut up to less than 8 runners strikes me as a stonking good bet. A good win chance, if he stands up he has to place, and money back if they don’t declare. What’s not to like?
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I think it’s a great bet and as a book builder I’ve taken the 15/1 on the exchanges to have him in my book looking at where the weather is heading
 
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