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Yeah I reckon 3m2 up the hill will be fine as long as it’s not testing ground, does he have the class though? Let’s face it the betfair was not a strong race
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Real damp squid wasn't it. Waiting for the excuses.....Haiti ran like a true 4 mile handicapper today
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Worth noting F2F lost a leg in this race last year also
Sure he opened around 7/4, drifted all the way to 5s then back into 7/2 at the off.
Apparently he put F2F away in his work earlier in the week but whether thats to be believed who knows
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Yep, when i saw the market something rang a bell about the betting being mad last year, but couldn't remember exactly what ?
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Found a screenshot I took on the day of the John durkan last year, 11am, F2F drifted out to 6.2
I’ve back F2F at 2/1 today, Denise may know something but I have GW as a horse that struggles against Willie top horses in Ireland, but is able to win (and win well) when he comes to the UK and runs against ‘weaker’ opposition
Same with Il Est Temps
I’ve back F2F at 2/1 today, Denise may know something but I have GW as a horse that struggles against Willie top horses in Ireland, but is able to win (and win well) when he comes to the UK and runs against ‘weaker’ opposition
Same with Il Est Temps
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Haiti Coleurs...
“He’s fine, it was just an absolute no-show yesterday for him. He was beaten as soon the tapes went down and didn’t turn up at all,” she told Racing TV.
“I nearly knew travelling there – he’s a horse that gets really revved up and sweaty, (but) he was very quiet going there.
“He just had an off-day, I don’t think it was anything to do with it being a Graded race or (a lack of) ability. He ran at Newbury only two and a half weeks earlier, Sean (Bowen) didn’t hit him and we thought he had an easy-ish race, but he obviously didn’t and it’s taken a lot out of him.
“He puts so much into his racing he needs plenty of time between races, which he didn’t get, so we’ll put a line through that. I know he’s still a good horse, we’ll just get it right the next day.
“I do fancy the Welsh National for him, which is another five weeks away. He hasn’t had a hard race in Haydock, Sean has pulled him up and if we can freshen him up and get him back to his best in the next five weeks, that will be an option for him I think.”
“He’s fine, it was just an absolute no-show yesterday for him. He was beaten as soon the tapes went down and didn’t turn up at all,” she told Racing TV.
“I nearly knew travelling there – he’s a horse that gets really revved up and sweaty, (but) he was very quiet going there.
“He just had an off-day, I don’t think it was anything to do with it being a Graded race or (a lack of) ability. He ran at Newbury only two and a half weeks earlier, Sean (Bowen) didn’t hit him and we thought he had an easy-ish race, but he obviously didn’t and it’s taken a lot out of him.
“He puts so much into his racing he needs plenty of time between races, which he didn’t get, so we’ll put a line through that. I know he’s still a good horse, we’ll just get it right the next day.
“I do fancy the Welsh National for him, which is another five weeks away. He hasn’t had a hard race in Haydock, Sean has pulled him up and if we can freshen him up and get him back to his best in the next five weeks, that will be an option for him I think.”
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Gaelic Warrior.
What a horse. Probably one of, if not the most versatile horse in training currently, at that top level.
I think they can chuck him in anywhere, once they know what the ground will be.
I believe he'll be fine over 3m+ on better 'Spring' ground but also if it were to come back soft/heavy like Punchestown he can also go down in trip.
A horse you'd love to own and more so train.
Now hoping, as someone who doesn't have him covered for a Ryanair, that the festival is on better ground!
What a horse. Probably one of, if not the most versatile horse in training currently, at that top level.
I think they can chuck him in anywhere, once they know what the ground will be.
I believe he'll be fine over 3m+ on better 'Spring' ground but also if it were to come back soft/heavy like Punchestown he can also go down in trip.
A horse you'd love to own and more so train.
Now hoping, as someone who doesn't have him covered for a Ryanair, that the festival is on better ground!
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If he does win the king george theres only one race he will go to and it wont be the ryanair (unless fact to file gets injured). That will be regardless of ground.
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And Henderson is confident Jango Baie is going to appreciate going up in trip on Boxing Day.
“He’s a very nice horse, he’s not blisteringly brilliant in the mornings, but shows you more in the afternoon and we always like them that way around," he added.
“The Arkle was an extraordinary performance and you have to be a good horse to do what he did, to make up that amount of ground. There is speed in there but it takes a little time to kick in and he has shown he has a a turn of foot.
“The lovely thing about Saturday was the way he quickened all the way to the line. That was strong.”
So could the road to the Boodles Cheltenham Gold Cup open up to Jango Baie?
“I wouldn’t know.
"The King George is the obvious place to go next, the timing is good, and he looks ready to go to here miles. He got away with it over two last year but is obviously a strong stayer. And if he gets three miles well around Kempton then you’ve opened up another door haven’t you? But it’s one step at a time," his trainer added.
“He’s a very nice horse, he’s not blisteringly brilliant in the mornings, but shows you more in the afternoon and we always like them that way around," he added.
“The Arkle was an extraordinary performance and you have to be a good horse to do what he did, to make up that amount of ground. There is speed in there but it takes a little time to kick in and he has shown he has a a turn of foot.
“The lovely thing about Saturday was the way he quickened all the way to the line. That was strong.”
So could the road to the Boodles Cheltenham Gold Cup open up to Jango Baie?
“I wouldn’t know.
"The King George is the obvious place to go next, the timing is good, and he looks ready to go to here miles. He got away with it over two last year but is obviously a strong stayer. And if he gets three miles well around Kempton then you’ve opened up another door haven’t you? But it’s one step at a time," his trainer added.
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Plenty to discuss here after the weekend. Gaelic Warrior looks the obvious place to begin. Travelled and jumped well. It was impressive the way he found more at the finish to hold off Fact To File who was ridden with more patience. He would look to have a strong chance if going to the logical next step of the King George. My worry if looking to bet at the price he is now was that he had a hard race and 5 weeks turnaround isn't long. Will the race leave a lasting effect? You are also going back to 2017 for the last time a favourite won a King George... Fact To File getting outstayed by Gaelic Warrior again makes it hard to think he will go the Gold Cup route. The pair were a long way clear and this was over 2 1/2m but he still has to prove he is a strong stayer at 3m for me.
Grey Dawning is in to 5th favourite for the race. He's not for me. I struggle to warm to him. His jumping just looks a bit laboured. Slow and airy and just doesn't look efficient enough to be able to jump and travel in contention. I also think he was flattered by his win on the bridle. Handstands and Royal Pagaille were taking each other on for the lead throughout and got racing a long way from home. Handstands looked a non stayer, fading out of contention, even getting picked up for 3rd. Grey Dawning meanwhile sat in behind leaving the front two to it and taking it up after the last. It was a good ride to bide his time then not take it up till after the last. It is worth remembering that he travelled equally as well last year, leading over the last before Royale Pagaille picked him up. Clearly didn't want to get to the front too soon, it also questions whether he really does find that much off the bridle? He's another year older and wiser so not unreasonable to think he has improved on last year. With doubts about many in the race maybe he could put in a good round of jumping and be in the right place at the right time? He's no world beater but with doubts about most in the race then it could still be enough.
I think Jango Baie is the classier horse and it seemed the further he went the better, the question is will he turn up here? Like Gaelic Warrior, the King George looks the obvious next race and a lot will depend on how he gets on there. If he wins, staying on well then it is hard to see him not going for the Gold Cup. I would have a slight concern on his ability to lay up in a Ryanair, which seems odd being an Arkle winner! He is still a little way of proving he is a Gold Cup, but the potential is there.
The Jukebox Man is in to 25/1 after his win but with his next run likely to be the King George then happy to let him get beat there. Got an easy lead setting slow fractions in front and was able to kick on from the best position. The form looks questionable with Iroko's jockey looking to get the horse round with no mishap and the 3rd rated just 127 (though getting 11lb and possibly fit after a run). He also jumped to the left which leaves a massive concern for right handed Kempton. Current backers for the Gold Cup will be glad to see him get round in front and is well but there are several in front of him for me at the moment.
Grey Dawning is in to 5th favourite for the race. He's not for me. I struggle to warm to him. His jumping just looks a bit laboured. Slow and airy and just doesn't look efficient enough to be able to jump and travel in contention. I also think he was flattered by his win on the bridle. Handstands and Royal Pagaille were taking each other on for the lead throughout and got racing a long way from home. Handstands looked a non stayer, fading out of contention, even getting picked up for 3rd. Grey Dawning meanwhile sat in behind leaving the front two to it and taking it up after the last. It was a good ride to bide his time then not take it up till after the last. It is worth remembering that he travelled equally as well last year, leading over the last before Royale Pagaille picked him up. Clearly didn't want to get to the front too soon, it also questions whether he really does find that much off the bridle? He's another year older and wiser so not unreasonable to think he has improved on last year. With doubts about many in the race maybe he could put in a good round of jumping and be in the right place at the right time? He's no world beater but with doubts about most in the race then it could still be enough.
I think Jango Baie is the classier horse and it seemed the further he went the better, the question is will he turn up here? Like Gaelic Warrior, the King George looks the obvious next race and a lot will depend on how he gets on there. If he wins, staying on well then it is hard to see him not going for the Gold Cup. I would have a slight concern on his ability to lay up in a Ryanair, which seems odd being an Arkle winner! He is still a little way of proving he is a Gold Cup, but the potential is there.
The Jukebox Man is in to 25/1 after his win but with his next run likely to be the King George then happy to let him get beat there. Got an easy lead setting slow fractions in front and was able to kick on from the best position. The form looks questionable with Iroko's jockey looking to get the horse round with no mishap and the 3rd rated just 127 (though getting 11lb and possibly fit after a run). He also jumped to the left which leaves a massive concern for right handed Kempton. Current backers for the Gold Cup will be glad to see him get round in front and is well but there are several in front of him for me at the moment.