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2026 Gold Cup

I can clearly remember that GDC chase debut at Leopardstown and the enthusiastic and impressive round of jumping……it was “wow” expectations delivered and some!……especially as I had a large stake/price ante post slip for the BANC and thought I just had to wait for March and collect as nothing was going to beat this horse over three miles 😂
Had great prices on Galopin for the BANC, and Bob was a 150 point winner for me, I'd been in town for the week and missed out on a ticket to the races on Thursday as it had sold out. I was sat in the Sandford Ale House in Cheltenham, packed to the rafters, thinking "this is possibly the worst day of my betting life" as GDC ground him into paste. When he fell, the place went deathly silent, and 3 lads I'd been talking to, who knew I was on Bob, were staring at me. I just looked dead ahead, completely unemotionally. Finished my beer, asked them to watch my stuff and walked round the corner into the park and just started kind of screaming, then sat on the bench with the shakes for about 5 minutes. My body couldn't process what it had just experienced.

Walked back to the pub and bought those lads a round
 
Based upon previous interviews and recent radio silence then I can’t comprehend why Willie has entered Impaire Et Passé in the GC?
Because it costs basically peanuts so his get entered for pretty much any races they can think of.
 
Because it costs basically peanuts so his get entered for pretty much any races they can think of.
Understand cost point, but the stable tours info about “2 1/2 looks to be his trip”- “may not go to the festival” etc just doesn’t relate to a gruelling 3m 2f round Cheltenham🤔
 
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Understand cost point, but the stable tours info about “2 1/2 looks to be his trip”- “may not go to the festival” etc just doesn’t relate to a gruelling 3m 2f round Cheltenham🤔
Yeah maybe they are hoping for a miracle. You know how JP loves a Gold Cup winner
 
I am coming around to the view that Gaelic Warrior has a great chance if he gets the opportunity to run. It would seem likely that PT will ride Galopin and that Patrick will be on GW. Like many here I have my reservations about that but having just turned up the form I see that Patrick has won two G1s on GW (including the Arkle here) and the Bowl at Aintree. On the latter particular mention was made of the way the horse responded to the hold up ride. It would be by means certain whether those tactics would be employed again but with Galopin and Haiti likely to set the pace I could see them being employed to good effect. I think I am getting well ahead of myself here (tactics etc) but my main point is that I have convinced myself (if no one else!) to go in again on GW.
 
I am coming around to the view that Gaelic Warrior has a great chance if he gets the opportunity to run. It would seem likely that PT will ride Galopin and that Patrick will be on GW. Like many here I have my reservations about that but having just turned up the form I see that Patrick has won two G1s on GW (including the Arkle here) and the Bowl at Aintree. On the latter particular mention was made of the way the horse responded to the hold up ride. It would be by means certain whether those tactics would be employed again but with Galopin and Haiti likely to set the pace I could see them being employed to good effect. I think I am getting well ahead of myself here (tactics etc) but my main point is that I have convinced myself (if no one else!) to go in again on GW.
Patrick does get some stick, but Ricci likes him. Tbh Patrick is capable of winning on good ones, and GW is defo one of those!
 
With the interesting debate on the Ryanair thread about the King George runners and their respective chances for the GC, then I thought I would have a look at the sectional times for the KG and see why so many people think that the form is suspect due to nature of the way the race was run and try to understand why so many opinions are against the TJM and particularly the GC trip.

I decided to do this as I am on TJM @ 40/1 at the start of the season, thinking he was potentially the best British second season chaser for the GC, but with so much opinion against him staying the GC trip I have been ‘‘umming and arhhing” about whether to cash out or let it ride.

I also dont understand how some horses from this years KG close finish are considered to have a better chance of seeing the GC trip out than TJM, especially when their respective careers to date have maybe suggested otherwise! Ie Both Jango and Gaelic (up until last years Mildmay) we’re speed horses (both winning the Arkle) and could maybe “stretch out further” in distance, whereas the TJM has always been seen as a stayer surely, why else would he run in the Albert Bartlett as a novice hurdler? The argument that the race favoured speed horses as the race developed into a sprint, surely then favours Gaelic, Jango, where it’s against TJM?……TJM matched them stride for stride and when Gaelic and Banbridge came past after the last, fought back to get up……doesn’t that indicate an ability to stay the 3m trip well and in a track record time?……even if the GC race maybe run differently. Why does that indicate that Gaelic and Jango may stay the GC trip better than TJM?

I have watched the race a few times since and have taken sectional times from the ITV’s furlong by furlong info (not sure as to the provenance of this data but I am a skinflint and not prepared to pay/subscribe for sectional data!)

From watching the race and particularly from the home bend then I just don’t understand how people can think that Jango Baie is the one to take from the race? Didnt jump great and had every chance with the race run for a speed 2 1/2 mile horse….i don’t see him ever beating either Gaelic or TJM over 3m or more…..the only caveat being he is a year younger and may have a bit more improvement.

Furlong by furlong;

1f - 17.28s
2f - 15.01
3f - 14.64
4f - 14.75
5f - 15.05
6f - 15.11
7f - 15.08
8f - 14.08
9f - 14.22
10f - 14.84
11f - 15.22 - heading for final circuit
12f - 14.98
13f - 14.37
14f - 15.11
15f - 15.02 - Ruby comment “pace does look steady”
16f - 14.26
17f - 14.63
18f - 14.50
19f - 14.51
20f - 13.60 - kick off the home turn, five lengths covering the field
21f - 12.60
22f - 12.98
23f - 13.09
24f - 13.32

Looks like the injection of pace off the home turn decided the race, so how good is it that the TJM managed to hang onto the ‘speed horses’ Gaelic, Jango and Banbridge?……and to sustain his effort all the way to the line, matching them……particularly as he has always run over a trip and never been seen as a ‘speed horse’?

Whilst I accept that I have a vested interest in the TJM and maybe a tad biased😀 then I still am of the contrarian view that the TJM is the ‘one to take’ from the KG and maybe the best of the bunch to take up the gauntlet against last years first and second in the GC.

I am minded to, as Maximus would say ‘ hold the line’ with those AP slips on TJM !😎
 
I am coming around to the view that Gaelic Warrior has a great chance if he gets the opportunity to run. It would seem likely that PT will ride Galopin and that Patrick will be on GW. Like many here I have my reservations about that but having just turned up the form I see that Patrick has won two G1s on GW (including the Arkle here) and the Bowl at Aintree. On the latter particular mention was made of the way the horse responded to the hold up ride. It would be by means certain whether those tactics would be employed again but with Galopin and Haiti likely to set the pace I could see them being employed to good effect. I think I am getting well ahead of myself here (tactics etc) but my main point is that I have convinced myself (if no one else!) to go in again on GW.
It was Paul who rode Gaelic in the arkle. It seems that ricci wants Paul to ride his best horses at Cheltenham. Kept saying it last year with him needing Paul to ride lossie so they went mares
 
Spindelberry entered in irish gold cup
maybe the owner is going to get a chance to test her before cheltenham.
Haiti also entered, probably won;t run but good to see her with some imagination. Probably should have stuck to the old face though :rolleyes:
Not a fan of the plastic mask look myself.
 
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Spindelberry entered in irish gold cup
maybe the owner is going to get a chance to test her before cheltenham.
Haiti also entered, probably won;t run but good to see her with some imagination. Probably should have stuck to the old face though :rolleyes:
Not a fan of the plastic mask look myself.
I envy you being able to afford to be that fussy!!
 
With the interesting debate on the Ryanair thread about the King George runners and their respective chances for the GC, then I thought I would have a look at the sectional times for the KG and see why so many people think that the form is suspect due to nature of the way the race was run and try to understand why so many opinions are against the TJM and particularly the GC trip.

I decided to do this as I am on TJM @ 40/1 at the start of the season, thinking he was potentially the best British second season chaser for the GC, but with so much opinion against him staying the GC trip I have been ‘‘umming and arhhing” about whether to cash out or let it ride.

I also dont understand how some horses from this years KG close finish are considered to have a better chance of seeing the GC trip out than TJM, especially when their respective careers to date have maybe suggested otherwise! Ie Both Jango and Gaelic (up until last years Mildmay) we’re speed horses (both winning the Arkle) and could maybe “stretch out further” in distance, whereas the TJM has always been seen as a stayer surely, why else would he run in the Albert Bartlett as a novice hurdler? The argument that the race favoured speed horses as the race developed into a sprint, surely then favours Gaelic, Jango, where it’s against TJM?……TJM matched them stride for stride and when Gaelic and Banbridge came past after the last, fought back to get up……doesn’t that indicate an ability to stay the 3m trip well and in a track record time?……even if the GC race maybe run differently. Why does that indicate that Gaelic and Jango may stay the GC trip better than TJM?

I have watched the race a few times since and have taken sectional times from the ITV’s furlong by furlong info (not sure as to the provenance of this data but I am a skinflint and not prepared to pay/subscribe for sectional data!)

From watching the race and particularly from the home bend then I just don’t understand how people can think that Jango Baie is the one to take from the race? Didnt jump great and had every chance with the race run for a speed 2 1/2 mile horse….i don’t see him ever beating either Gaelic or TJM over 3m or more…..the only caveat being he is a year younger and may have a bit more improvement.

Furlong by furlong;

1f - 17.28s
2f - 15.01
3f - 14.64
4f - 14.75
5f - 15.05
6f - 15.11
7f - 15.08
8f - 14.08
9f - 14.22
10f - 14.84
11f - 15.22 - heading for final circuit
12f - 14.98
13f - 14.37
14f - 15.11
15f - 15.02 - Ruby comment “pace does look steady”
16f - 14.26
17f - 14.63
18f - 14.50
19f - 14.51
20f - 13.60 - kick off the home turn, five lengths covering the field
21f - 12.60
22f - 12.98
23f - 13.09
24f - 13.32

Looks like the injection of pace off the home turn decided the race, so how good is it that the TJM managed to hang onto the ‘speed horses’ Gaelic, Jango and Banbridge?……and to sustain his effort all the way to the line, matching them……particularly as he has always run over a trip and never been seen as a ‘speed horse’?

Whilst I accept that I have a vested interest in the TJM and maybe a tad biased😀 then I still am of the contrarian view that the TJM is the ‘one to take’ from the KG and maybe the best of the bunch to take up the gauntlet against last years first and second in the GC.

I am minded to, as Maximus would say ‘ hold the line’ with those AP slips on TJM !😎
Firstly, you can get all sectional data on Attheraces for free including pace analysis.

Secondly and to answer your questions. @opatcho put up an excellent post regarding the dosage of Gold Cup winners and highlighted TJM as a doubtful stayer based on past winners of the race. Then you have the actual sectional speeds. Basically, the race was a sprint at the finish and The Jukebox Man was in the right place at the right time, dictating matters and getting first run. Taking the last 6 furlongs we have:

TJM: 80.01 secs
Ban: 79.61 secs
GW: 79.72 secs
JB: 79.90 secs

They were all going as quick as they could which is why the times are so similar. A horse can only run as fast as is physically capable and that is what happens here. To put into further context, the last furlong of the Arkle last year Jango Baie ran in 13.86 secs, here he ran the final furlong of the King George in 13.44. If you want to compare on the same day, Wendigo ran the fastest final furlong in the Kauto Star of 13.72. If you really want an idea of how fast they were going, Sir Gino ran his last two furlongs in 13.42 and 14.01 (TJM 13.11 & 13.41) seconds and a final 6f of 79.08 seconds, less than a second quicker than the first four home in the King George!

Obviously a lot is down to interpretation and opinion. He did run (and place) in both the Albert Bartlett and the Sefton, but considering the Turners is more of a speed test then it was probably a case of the AB & Sefton being more suitable races at the time which paid off. He has shown good pace in all his races over fences so far so the extra distance and likely stronger gallop of a Gold Cup would present a fresh challenge. Obviously the same applies to Jango Baie though it is possible his jumping may improve at a longer trip whereas one of TJM's assets is his jumping. Gaelic Warrior does have his 3m 1f win at Aintree to his name, though that was slowly run for the first few furlongs. Basically they all have it to prove if we had a soft ground Gold Cup!

As to my personal opinion, of the three I would favour Gaelic Warrior, but then there is that nasty scenario of him potentially going Ryanair as Townend's ride whilst he is on Galopin in the Gold Cup, hence why he is the biggest price of the three. We can see there isn't that much between Jango Baie and The Jukebox Man based on the King George, though TJM was better positioned and I think was the quickest in to stride after the last which got him the win. Admittedly at this stage there doesn't seem to be an abundance of pace in the Gold Cup so he could take a nice sit like he did here and potentially try and kick on. I wouldn't be cashing out any 40/1 ticket, though equally I am in no hurry to back him at 8/1.
 
Haiti Couleurs has been given the “option” of heading to Leopardstown to derail Galopin Des Champs’ quest for history in the Paddy Power Irish Gold Cup, after the Welsh Grand National hero was one of three British-trained entries for the Grade One events at the Dublin Racing Festival.
 
Ruby tips up I Am Maximus for Gold Cup @ 33/1
 
Are they even going? Skipped it last two years. Won't have either of PT or MW on and I'd say a long way down on the jockey bookings. Whilst I get the angle, I can't see how he shortens much before then unless he wins the Irish Gold Cup
 
Interestingly, despite being a G1 winner and National winner for JP, he's never been ridden by Walsh. I know PT stayed on him for the national because he's a tough ride, but it's still quite unusual he was never ridden by him even prior