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2025 Stayers Hurdle

So based on that stable tour, Willie has nothing for this?

Surely he will want something with a chance
 
TigerRolllllll said:
So based on that stable tour, Willie has nothing for this?

Surely he will want something with a chance
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He'll send one of his failed/regressing chasers here I suspect, Sir Gerhard, Appreciate It, Monkfish maybe.
It's been a bad race for years and the lack of mentions confirms how its' perceived these days, shame as it was once a race to savour and look forward to....
 
Istabraq said:
He'll send one of his failed/regressing chasers here I suspect, Sir Gerhard, Appreciate It, Monkfish maybe.
It's been a bad race for years and the lack of mentions confirms how its' perceived these days, shame as it was once a race to savour and look forward to....
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Tend to agree....worth keeping an eye on any that look like they could switch.....common anyway in this division

Also like the race......as i do champion hurdle.......no idea why owners don't target these races more.....prob buy cheaper horses and less risk of injury.
 
darlojim said:
If he hasn't got anything for it now, it will probably just end up being a failed chaser id say
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Yep what i was thinking too, so not need to be guessing for anything at this stage! Plus not really a "Willie" race in recent years!
 
TigerRolllllll said:
Tend to agree....worth keeping an eye on any that look like they could switch.....common anyway in this division

Also like the race......as i do champion hurdle.......no idea why owners don't target these races more.....prob buy cheaper horses and less risk of injury.
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Modern day NH snobbery I think, heavy emphasis on chasers, hurdlers regarded as lesser animals…
 
Istabraq said:
Modern day NH snobbery I think, heavy emphasis on chasers, hurdlers regarded as lesser animals…
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Not something i think the public necessarily share......Champion Hurdle always a fav race for many and poss my fav of all

Easily the most popular horse for many years was Honeysuckle......who obviously never jumped a fence. That Mares race crowd and celebration was on another level to anything I've seen and I've been there for 25 years plus every day

CH this year looks a potential cracker....and hope most of the possibles all make it there. If we do get Con Hill, State Man, Lossie, BDA and maybe SG or Mystical Power, then its prob a better race than Gold Cup or least run it close
 
Anyways back to Stayers.....i think there are some potential strong Willie ones to watch.....Mystical Power and IEP and one crazy thought, could he run I am Maximus here as a GN warm up?
 
TigerRolllllll said:
Anyways back to Stayers.....i think there are some potential strong Willie ones to watch.....Mystical Power and IEP and one crazy thought, could he run I am Maximus here as a GN warm up?
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Think you do similar to myself.
Already backed him, slade steel and hewick at triple figures for the race.
 
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Added Shoot First tonight @ 50/1.

Thought he was very good at Haydock off a big weight (before jocks claim), a race that has produced a Stayers Hurdle winner previously, in Paisley Park, albeit he won off a higher mark.

Teahupoo aside, something could come from left field and he's one I think can improve enough to at least give him an E/W shout. I know improvement from a soon to be 9 year old sounds unlikely but he's had 9 career starts, so he's lightly enough raced.

He has course form, winning a Pertemps qualifier last season and because of his age they may just roll the dice.

Was rated 139 before the weekend, I suspect he'll get 5- 6lbs for the win, so he's off 145. I haven't seen any quotes but I hope they'd target the Long Walk next, maybe.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Added Shoot First tonight @ 50/1.

Thought he was very good at Haydock off a big weight (before jocks claim), a race that has produced a Stayers Hurdle winner previously, in Paisley Park, albeit he won off a higher mark.

Teahupoo aside, something could come from left field and he's one I think can improve enough to at least give him an E/W shout. I know improvement from a soon to be 9 year old sounds unlikely but he's had 9 career starts, so he's lightly enough raced.

He has course form, winning a Pertemps qualifier last season and because of his age they may just roll the dice.

Was rated 139 before the weekend, I suspect he'll get 5- 6lbs for the win, so he's off 145. I haven't seen any quotes but I hope they'd target the Long Walk next, maybe.
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I’m surprised there’s been such little chat in here about this ones performance last, I had him for the lot a year or two back but couldn’t bring myself to backing him last Saturday.
The hype back then was significant and he clearly retains a big chunk of that ability, he’ll be one I get onside soon I think….
 
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Istabraq said:
I’m surprised there’s been such little chat in here about this ones performance last, I had him for the lot a year or two back but couldn’t bring myself to backing him last Saturday.
The hype back then was significant and he clearly retains a big chunk of that ability, he’ll be one I get onside soon I think….
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I couldn't believe the price he drifted out to on Saturday.
 
Ice said:
I couldn't believe the price he drifted out to on Saturday.
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I assumed he was over for a leg stretch, let the handicapper have a look at him and get him qualified for the Pertemps eventually, possibly Warwick, how wrong was I….
 
Istabraq said:
I’m surprised there’s been such little chat in here about this ones performance last, I had him for the lot a year or two back but couldn’t bring myself to backing him last Saturday.
The hype back then was significant and he clearly retains a big chunk of that ability, he’ll be one I get onside soon I think….
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Beaten Botox Has by 2L getting a stone stopped me looking when we're talking about a Stayers Hurdle

Not knocking a 50/1 tip ComplyOrDie of course brother, but 50/1 would be fair on the day :boxing::cheerful:
 
Kevloaf said:
Beaten Botox Has by 2L getting a stone stopped me looking when we're talking about a Stayers Hurdle

Not knocking a 50/1 tip ComplyOrDie of course brother, but 50/1 would be fair on the day :boxing::cheerful:
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I think on certain occasions you have to ignore the bare form, and examining how a charles Byrnes horse ran in a handicap is definitely one of those times imo. He was a snug winner over botox has, and they were targeting the pertemps final with him which he was favourite for before his injury, so they wouldn't have wanted to have been winning by much more.

I think he had way more in hand than the winning margin on Saturday, I think he hit the front plenty soon enough, he was doddling the whole way up the run in. it kept looking like different horses were going to close him down but he kept picking up again, then slowing down, then picking up again.

I have backed him for the stayers too, I had to having backed him antepost for Saturday and then continuously topping up again the more he drifted, while resigning myself to the fact that he wasnt going to be trying because that yard was surely not going to let it go off at 22/1 if he's trying :applouse:

I don't know if he's going to be able to reach teahupoo levels, but I think he's definitely better than the likely mark he's going to get for winning Saturday.
 
I'd be wary of the form on Saturday, especially for stepping up in class. Easily the slowest time for that race over the last 10 years (the same for the Betfair Chase as well). The ground must have been very heavy and you see it each year where horses who win on that ground at Haydock can't then follow up with decent performances afterwards. Saturday proved he was a dour stayer but didn't prove he can go at the pace required in a Stayers hurdle.
 
Kevloaf said:
Beaten Botox Has by 2L getting a stone stopped me looking when we're talking about a Stayers Hurdle

Not knocking a 50/1 tip ComplyOrDie of course brother, but 50/1 would be fair on the day :boxing::cheerful:
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That form was 2 seasons ago. He was 10lbs higher at the weekend and still won well enough, he's also a very game horse in front, which I like. Doesn't necessarily mean they are good enough though :highly_amused:

Look, he's 50/1 for a reason, he's probably not beating Teahupoo, but the division has question marks about it, and even more so as to what is turning up. If he does it will be with an E/W shout.
 
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DenmanSacre said:
I'd be wary of the form on Saturday, especially for stepping up in class. Easily the slowest time for that race over the last 10 years (the same for the Betfair Chase as well). The ground must have been very heavy and you see it each year where horses who win on that ground at Haydock can't then follow up with decent performances afterwards. Saturday proved he was a dour stayer but didn't prove he can go at the pace required in a Stayers hurdle.
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I'm not bothered by the time of the race, he didn't choose the fractions they went, he was held up, but he outstayed them all at the end.

He's probably just going to be another Crambo, and be a handicapper in a graded field, he may not even turn up at all yet. Long way to go.

Don't know if there were any quotes after the race?
 
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