2025 Stayers Hurdle

[HoldenTheReins]

Maybe the race will become a handicap in the near future, like the Turners Chase, Nat Hunt Chase and Cross Country this year ?

Would probably become more competitive, but the edge would be with the bookmakers methinks and how many handicaps is good for a festival of NH racing?

We don't need more handicaps.....

 

[Many Clouds]

It's never in my lifetime been a truly deep race full of superstars though, even the greatest staying hurdlers of all time inglis drever and big bucks, were tried at either shorter and wasn't good enough in inglis drevers case or in big bucks case tried as a chaser and wasn't any good at it. But even in their dominant times you could hardly describe their wins as deep.

The horses you mention above never truly faced each other when they were all at their peak, Paisley Park and sire du berlais both 9 by the time flooring porter was winning his first stayers crown. and 3 of those came through handicaps bar klassical dream who only ever raced in graded races bar novice hurdle and novice chase.

So while I can accept its not a deep race I'd say it never has been.

Yeh I agree, it isn't a race that I particularly look forward to for the same reasons. Especially as more and more emphasis seems to be on going chasing so it ends up with a few poor chasers switching back rather than this being their target from the outset.

But with them "bigger names" shall we say in recent years it felt like a bit more open and maybe nostalgic with the older horses coming back year on year for another crack, but you're right it wasn't rammed full of quality.

But this year does look particularly poor, maybe also because the fave has only raced once this season and was beaten so that maybe takes the gloss of Teahupoo a bit, I'm not sure.

There's always the chance that we might see a new crop of Stayers lineup that are gonna start their journey coming back year after year, but I suppose we wont know that until later down the line and we only have the evidence of what they've done so far to go on.

 

[punterorplonker]

Please tell me how mullins can be running mystical power in this. Run in only 2m races.

"He could run in the Red Mills Hurdle next week and will likely go for the Stayers' Hurdle if he travels over to Cheltenham."
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[Rooster Booster]

Please tell me how mullins can be running mystical power in this. Run in only 2m races.

"He could run in the Red Mills Hurdle next week and will likely go for the Stayers' Hurdle if he travels over to Cheltenham."
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Because they are hoping he will be less shit running against slower horses and they’ve got little to lose.

 

[Lobos]

Please tell me how mullins can be running mystical power in this. Run in only 2m races.

"He could run in the Red Mills Hurdle next week and will likely go for the Stayers' Hurdle if he travels over to Cheltenham."
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Because he's a master trainer

 

[AaronLad]

There's always the chance that we might see a new crop of Stayers lineup that are gonna start their journey coming back year after year, but I suppose we wont know that until later down the line and we only have the evidence of what they've done so far to go on.

I think this is the point I'm trying to make, and probably doing a poor job of it.

 

[Quevega]

Interesting way of looking at the stayers for you all to think about.

If you put Teahupoo to one side as the stand out horse.

If the race was a handicap and they were all running off the same mark/weight ?
Who would go off favourite (or 2nd Fav to Teahupoo), based on all we know ?

 

[AaronLad]

Interesting way of looking at the stayers for you all to think about.

If you put Teahupoo to one side as the stand out horse.

If the race was a handicap and they were all running off the same mark/weight ?
Who would go off favourite (or 2nd Fav to Teahupoo), based on all we know ?

Lucky place and the wallpark joint favs
Couldn't see a 10yo homebythelee giving 7lbs minimum to these 2
which is pretty obvious when I think lucky place wins off levels

 

[Quevega]

Lucky place and the wallpark joint favs
Couldn't see a 10yo homebythelee giving 7lbs minimum to these 2

Both possible but wrong IMO.
They're all running off the same mark.

 

[AaronLad]

Both possible but wrong IMO.
They're all running off the same mark.

Which is why home by the lee is currently 2nd fav.
but I added a bit to my original reply
and there's no point in asking to look at it a certain way then saying wrong because that's not the reality, bit harsh :excitement:

 

[Carnage at Taunton]

Because he's a master trainer

I prefer roosters answer
:biggrin-new:

 

[Quevega]

Which is why home by the lee is currently 2nd fav.
but I added a bit to my original reply

We all know you think lucky place will win aaron :highly_amused::loyal:
I'm getting you a T-shirt.

I'm talking about the market.
I think Langer Dan will get backed and could go off 2nd Fav.
Arguably he should, based on Cheltenham and Spring form, and ratings achieved in Spring.

Think those two you mentioned might be shorter though to be fair. Depends on how many people are still annoyed with both Dan's.

 

[AaronLad]

We all know you think lucky place will win aaron :highly_amused::loyal:
I'm getting you a T-shirt.

I'm talking about the market.
I think Langer Dan will get backed and could go off 2nd Fav.
Arguably he should, based on Cheltenham and Spring form, and ratings achieved in Spring.

Think those two you mentioned might be shorter though to be fair. Depends on how many people are still annoyed with both Dan's.

I don't think langer dan can be written off at all
Think Dan might well have an "I told you all" moment, and he'll run a big race.

 

[Rooster Booster]

We all know you think lucky place will win aaron :highly_amused::loyal:
I'm getting you a T-shirt.

I'm talking about the market.
I think Langer Dan will get backed and could go off 2nd Fav.
Arguably he should, based on Cheltenham and Spring form, and ratings achieved in Spring.

Think those two you mentioned might be shorter though to be fair. Depends on how many people are still annoyed with both Dan's.

What would July Flower run off in this hypothetical…can’t find her mark…

 

[Quevega]

What would July Flower run off in this hypothetical…can’t find her mark…

Level weights - it's a hypothetical handicap.
The point was - if this was a handicap everyone would fear Langer Dan. And he's actually near top rated.

 

[Rooster Booster]

Level weights - it's a hypothetical handicap.
The point was - if this was a handicap everyone would fear Langer Dan. And he's actually near top rated.

Oh it just became boring :biggrin-new:

 

[Quevega]

Oh it just became boring :biggrin-new:

And Random just before that :loyal:

 

[Rooster Booster]

And Random just before that :loyal:

The lunatics have taken over the asylum

 

[Eggs]

….in an open contests, I’ve thrown a very speculative dart at Minella Missile 100-1 NRNB.

He has decent Novice form, beating Captain Teague over 2m 5f at Cheltenham before going on the sick list for over 12 months. He came back last month running wide over 3m and finishing down the field at Windsor. I was thinking handicaps but he needs 2 more runs and the entry for this suggests he’s well thought of.

He’s entered over an inadequate 2m in the valuable handicap at Newbury this weekend (which I had a little e/w interest at 66-1 at first decs). 100-1 NRNB is no risk in the likely case of him not turning up here but he’s entered for a reason and could get a haircut if he runs this weekend.

 

[Runragged]

We all know you think lucky place will win aaron :highly_amused::loyal:
I'm getting you a T-shirt.

I'm talking about the market.
I think Langer Dan will get backed and could go off 2nd Fav.
Arguably he should, based on Cheltenham and Spring form, and ratings achieved in Spring.

Think those two you mentioned might be shorter though to be fair. Depends on how many people are still annoyed with both Dan's.

If you listened to Dan on the Unbridled webcast/podcast then you wouldn't hold out much hope at all for Langer Dan. He didn't sound confident at all. Rather perplexed in fact with how he has been. Looks like crossing fingers and toes if have backed LD and hoping for the best.