2024 Grand National

[Eggs]

Nice time to open a thread about this season’s GN. A few posters have highlighted the likes of Vanillier and Mr Incredible, but my early dart is;

Panda Boy @ 66-1 365

I’d like to know if it’s on the agenda but ran well in the Irish equivalent earlier this year as well as coming 3rd the valuable PP Chase last December. He’s already been seen a couple of times this season running against decent opposition over shorter than ideal distances. Will be in that nice 8yo age group next April, 66-1 is a bit of a stand-out with 365.

Smaller fields to try and manoeuvre with handicap marks over coming months.

 

[Eggs]

…..read that Panda Boy will be targeted at the National, so that’s a plus for my early shout. Best price 40-1 now.

 

[Eggs]

….initial entries, 06.02.24;


Adamantly Chosen (IRE) 7 Watch This Space Syndicate W. P. Mullins Ireland

Ain't That A Shame (IRE) 10 Robcour Henry de Bromhead Ireland

Amirite (IRE) 8 Patrick Hale Henry de Bromhead Ireland

Angels Dawn (IRE) 9 Mr Alfred Sweetnam S. Curling Ireland

Annual Invictus (IRE) 9 Mr Thomas Michael Smith Chris Gordon

Ashtown Lad (IRE) 10 Darren & Annaley Yates Dan Skelton

Ash Tree Meadow (FR) 8 Alymer Stud Ltd Gordon Elliott Ireland

Asterion Forlonge (FR) 10 Mrs J. Donnelly W. P. Mullins Ireland

Battleoverdoyen (IRE) 11 Pioneer Racing Gordon Elliott Ireland

Bronn (IRE) 7 Mr Simon Munir/Mr Isaac Souede W. P. Mullins Ireland

Busselton (FR) 7 Mr Michael Hilary Burke Joseph Patrick O'Brien Ireland

Capodanno (FR) 8 Mr John P. McManus W. P. Mullins Ireland

Celebre d'Allen (FR) 12 Mr Allan Stennett Philip Hobbs & Johnson White

Cepage (FR) 12 The Bellamy Partnership Venetia Williams

Chambard (FR) 12 David & Carol Shaw Venetia Williams

Chemical Energy (IRE) 8 Bective Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Classic Getaway (IRE) 8 Cheveley Park Stud W. P. Mullins Ireland

Coko Beach (FR) 9 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Conflated (IRE) 10 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Corach Rambler (IRE) 10 The Ramblers Lucinda Russell

Delta Work (FR) 11 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Desertmore House (IRE) 9 O. B. P. Carroll/Anthony Vaughan Martin Brassil Ireland

Diol Ker (FR) 10 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Dunboyne (IRE) 9 S. P. O'Connor Gordon Elliott Ireland

Dusart (IRE) 9 BARTLETT & CARTHY Nicky Henderson

Eklat de Rire (FR) 10 Mr P. Davies Henry de Bromhead Ireland

Eldorado Allen (FR) 10 J P Romans & Terry Warner Joe Tizzard

Embittered (IRE) 10 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Empire Steel (IRE) 10 Alan Wight Sandy Thomson

Fakiera (FR) 9 Mrs Martina Griffin Eoin Griffin Ireland

Fakir d'Alene (FR) 9 Bective Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Fakir d'Oudairies (FR) 9 Mr John P. McManus Joseph Patrick O'Brien Ireland

Famous Bridge (IRE) 8 Hemmings Racing Nicky Richards

Fantastic Lady (FR) 9 Mr E. R. Hanbury Nicky Henderson

Farouk d'Alene (FR) 9 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Favori de Champdou (FR) 9 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Fiddlerontheroof (IRE) 10 The Minions Jim Boyle

Foxy Jacks (IRE) 10 Ms Rachel Carthy M. F. Morris Ireland

Frontal Assault (IRE) 9 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Full Back (FR) 9 Mr Ashley Head Gary Moore

Fury Road (IRE) 10 Sierra Pacific & Pioneer Racing Gordon Elliott Ireland

Galia des Liteaux (FR) 8 Mr Michael Ariss Dan Skelton

Galvin (IRE) 10 Mr R. A. Bartlett Gordon Elliott Ireland

Gevrey (FR) 8 Denis Gallagher Racing Gordon Elliott Ireland

Glengouly (FR) 8 Roaringwater Syndicate W. P. Mullins Ireland

Good Boy Bobby (IRE) 11 Dash Grange Stud Nigel Twiston-Davies

Hewick (IRE) 9 Mr T. J. McDonald John Joseph Hanlon Ireland

Highland Hunter (IRE) 11 Nic Brereton and Lindsey Brennan Fergal O'Brien

I Am Maximus (FR) 8 Mr John P. McManus W. P. Mullins Ireland

Iron Bridge (IRE) 8 Hemmings Racing Jonjo O'Neill

Its On The Line (IRE) 7 C. C. R. Racing Syndicate Emmet Mullins Ireland

James du Berlais (FR) 8 Mr Simon Munir/Mr Isaac Souede W. P. Mullins Ireland

Janidil (FR) 10 Mr John P. McManus W. P. Mullins Ireland

Kinondo Kwetu 8 Gunalt Partnership Sam England

Kitty's Light 8 R J Bedford & All Stars Sports Racing Christian Williams

Latenightpass 11 Mrs P. A. Ellis Dan Skelton

Le Milos 9 The Jolly Good Partnership Dan Skelton

Letsbeclearaboutit (IRE) 9 Alymer Stud Ltd Gavin Cromwell Ireland

Limerick Lace (IRE) 7 Mr John P. McManus Gavin Cromwell Ireland

Longhouse Poet (IRE) 10 Sean & Bernardine Mulryan Martin Brassil Ireland

Macs Charm (IRE) 9 Macs Charm Syndicate Colm A. Murphy Ireland

Mac Tottie 11 Steve & Jackie Fleetham Peter Bowen

Mahler Mission (IRE) 8 Colm Herron & Rockview Racing Syndicate John McConnell Ireland

Malina Girl (IRE) 7 Mrs J. M. Russell Gavin Cromwell Ireland

Meetingofthewaters (IRE) 7 Mr P. Byrne W. P. Mullins Ireland

Minella Crooner (IRE) 8 KTDA Racing/Nick Courtney/Cillian Moran Gordon Elliott Ireland

Minella Indo (IRE) 11 Mr Barry Maloney Henry de Bromhead Ireland

Minella Trump (IRE) 10 Mr T. G. Leslie Donald McCain

Mister Coffey (FR) 9 Lady Bamford & Alice Bamford Nicky Henderson

Monbeg Genius (IRE) 8 Barrowman Racing Limited Jonjo O'Neill

Moroder (IRE) 10 Mrs Ann Leftley Seamus Mullins

Mr Incredible (IRE) 8 Paul Byrne & J. Carthy W. P. Mullins Ireland

Nassalam (FR) 7 John and Yvonne Stone Gary Moore

Noble Yeats (IRE) 9 Mr Robert Waley-Cohen Emmet Mullins Ireland

Ontheropes (IRE) 10 Cheveley Park Stud W. P. Mullins Ireland

Panda Boy (IRE) 8 Old Pals Partnership Martin Brassil Ireland

Placenet (FR) 7 Prof C Tisdall & G Thompson David Pipe

Revels Hill (IRE) 9 Noel Fehily Racing Syndicates-Revels Hil Harry Fry

Riaan (IRE) 7 Philip J. Reynolds Gordon Elliott Ireland

Roi Mage (FR) 12 Pryde/Van Der Hoeven/McGladery/Beaumont Patrick Griffin Ireland

Royal Thief (IRE) 10 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Run Wild Fred (IRE) 10 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Sail Away (FR) 8 Mr and Mrs J. D. Cotton Dan Skelton

Salvador Ziggy (IRE) 8 William Hurley/Mrs Aisling Hurley Gordon Elliott Ireland

Samcro (IRE) 12 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Shakem Up'arry (IRE) 10 Mr Harry Redknapp Ben Pauling

So des Flos (FR) 7 Mr David Lestrange Gordon Elliott Ireland

Stattler (IRE) 9 Mr R. A. Bartlett W. P. Mullins Ireland

The Goffer (IRE) 7 Mr Allan Snow Gordon Elliott Ireland

Threeunderthrufive (IRE) 9 McNeill Family Paul Nicholls

Tommie Beau (IRE) 9 Simon & Christine Prout Seamus Mullins

Tullybeg (IRE) 9 Bective Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland

Vanillier (FR) 9 Mrs H. M. Keaveney Gavin Cromwell Ireland

Where It All Began (IRE) 8 Patrick & Scott Bryceland,McNeill Family Gordon Elliott Ireland
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[Exar Essay]

Weights are in:

2024 Grand National weights


1 Hewick 11st 12lb 169
2 Conflated 11st 9lb 166
3 Noble Yeats 11st 8lb 165
4 Capodanno 11st 4lb 161
5 Coko Beach 11st 4lb 161
6 Nassalam 11st 4lb 161
7 Fakir D'Oudairies 11st 3lb 160
8 Ash Tree Meadow 11st 2lb 159
9 Corach Rambler 11st 2lb 159
10 I Am Maximus 11st 2lb 159

11 Janidil 11st 2lb 159
12 Minella Indo 11st 2lb 159
13 Asterion Forlonge 11st 1lb 158
14 Mahler Mission 11st 1lb 158
15 Stattler 11st 1lb 158
16 Classic Getaway 11st 157
17 Delta Work 11st 157
18 Foxy Jacks 11st 157
19 Threeunderthrufive 10st 13lb 156
20 Galvin 10st 12lb 155

21 Farouk D'Alene 10st 11lb 154
22 Salvador Ziggy 10st 11lb 154
23 Eldorado Allen 10st 10lb 153
24 Letsbeclearaboutit 10st 10lb 153
25 Ain't That A Shame 10st 9lb 152
26 Fury Road 10st 9lb 152
27 James Du Berlais 10st 9lb 152
28 Bronn 10st 8lb 151
29 Vanillier 10st 8lb 151
30 Dusart 10st 7lb 150

31 Le Milos 10st 7lb 150
32 Longhouse Poet 10st 7lb 150
33 Mr Incredible 10st 7lb 150
34 Latenightpass 10st 6lb 149
35 Minella Crooner 10st 6lb 149
36 Run Wild Fred 10st 6lb 149
37 Adamantly Chosen 10st 5lb 148
38 Chemical Energy 10st 5lb 148
39 Mac Tottie 10st 5lb 148
40 Favori De Champdou 10st 4lb 147

41 Limerick Lace 10st 4lb 147
42 Meetingofthewaters 10st 4lb 147
43 Monbeg Genius 10st 4lb 147
44 Roi Mage 10st 4lb 147
45 The Goffer 10st 4lb 147
46 Chambard 10st 3lb 146
47 Eklat De Rire 10st 3lb 146
48 Embittered 10st 3lb 146
49 Galia Des Liteaux 10st 3lb 146
50 Gevrey 10st 3lb 146

51 Glengouly 10st 3lb 146
52 Kitty's Light 10st 3lb 146
53 Panda Boy 10st 3lb 146
54 Busselton 10st 2lb 145
55 Empire Steel 10st 2lb 145
56 Fiddlerontheroof 10st 2lb 145
57 Malina Girl 10st 2lb 145
58 Desertmore House 10st 1lb 144
59 Fantastic Lady 10st 1lb 144
60 Highland Hunter 10st 1lb 144

61 Kinondu Kwetu 10st 1lb 144
62 Fakir D'Alene 10st 143
63 Ontheropes 10st 143
64 Shakem Up'Arry 10st 143
65 Amirite 9st 13lb 142
66 Angels Dawn 9st 13lb 142
67 Annual Invictus 9st 13lb 142
68 Diol Ker 9st 13lb 142
69 Rhiaan 9st 13lb 142
70 Sail Away 9st 13lb 142

71 Samcro 9st 13lb 142
72 Macs Charm 9st 12lb 141
73 Cepage 9st 11lb 140
74 Dunboyne 9st 11lb 140
75 Iron Bridge 9st 11lb 140
76 Tullybeg 9st 11lb 140
77 Famous Bridge 9st 10lb 139
78 Ashtown Lad 9st 9lb 138
79 Frontal Assault 9st 9lb 138
80 Mister Coffey 9st 9lb 138

81 Good Boy Bobby 9st 8lb 137
82 Tommie Beau 9st 7lb 136
83 Revels Hill 9st 6lb 135
84 Where It All Began 9st 6lb 135
85 Moroder 9st 2lb 131
86 Full Back 9st 1lb 130
87 Minella Trump 9st 1lb 130
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[Eggs]

….now it’s guess what number gets in with the reduced field. The handicapper suggests 144 (no 58).

 

[Kevloaf]

Backed The Goffer at a boosted 75/1 with Ladbrokes (4 pl) today

Up the Naiad

 

[Benjy23]

Galvin got to be reasonably well treated there hasn't he. Didn't get very far last year mind. Was 50s earlier but chopped into 25s now.

Mr Incredible got a bit further last year and is another worth another chance. Mullins seems quite positive about how he's working and I assume he's deliberately been kept back?! Still 40s.
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[Quevega]

Well worth familiarising with the new eligibility criteria for this years race as several notable entries have still not met it yet.
Not sure exactly what they mean by current season though - and potentially having ran in the previous years National might count, which seems a little perverse but who fucking knows ?



Total prize fund £1,000,000.

£500,000 to the winning horse.

The second to receive £200,000, the third £100,000, the fourth £65,000, the fifth £40,000, the sixth £30,000, the seventh £20,000, the eighth £15,000, the ninth £10,000 and the 10[SUP]th[/SUP] £5,000.

For seven year olds and upwards which, prior to March 26[SUP]th[/SUP] 2024, have started in a minimum of six steeple chases run under the Rules of Racing of a Recognised Turf Authority, at least one of which must have been during the current season.

In addition, prior to March 26[SUP]th[/SUP] 2024, horses must have been placed first, second, third or fourth in a steeple chase with an official distance description of 'two miles, seven and a half furlongs' or more, at any time during the horse's career.

Horses must be also allotted a rating of 130 or more by the BHA Handicapper following a review of the horses entered and after taking account of races run up to and including February 18[SUP]th[/SUP]. Horses which are not qualified for a rating in Great Britain or Ireland at closing may also be entered. Such horses may be eligible for a weight, providing

the Handicapper is satisfied that the horse's racecourse performances up to and including February 18[SUP]th[/SUP] 2024 would merit a minimum rating of 130.
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[Eggs]

Well worth familiarising with the new eligibility criteria for this years race as several notable entries have still not met it yet.
Not sure exactly what they mean by current season though - and potentially having ran in the previous years National might count, which seems a little perverse but who fucking knows ?



Total prize fund £1,000,000.

£500,000 to the winning horse.

The second to receive £200,000, the third £100,000, the fourth £65,000, the fifth £40,000, the sixth £30,000, the seventh £20,000, the eighth £15,000, the ninth £10,000 and the 10[SUP]th[/SUP] £5,000.

For seven year olds and upwards which, prior to March 26[SUP]th[/SUP] 2024, have started in a minimum of six steeple chases run under the Rules of Racing of a Recognised Turf Authority, at least one of which must have been during the current season.

In addition, prior to March 26[SUP]th[/SUP] 2024, horses must have been placed first, second, third or fourth in a steeple chase with an official distance description of 'two miles, seven and a half furlongs' or more, at any time during the horse's career.

Horses must be also allotted a rating of 130 or more by the BHA Handicapper following a review of the horses entered and after taking account of races run up to and including February 18[SUP]th[/SUP]. Horses which are not qualified for a rating in Great Britain or Ireland at closing may also be entered. Such horses may be eligible for a weight, providing

the Handicapper is satisfied that the horse's racecourse performances up to and including February 18[SUP]th[/SUP] 2024 would merit a minimum rating of 130.
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…..interesting but without looking, I can’t think there’ll be many that haven’t run in a chase this season (Le Milos an obvious one).

 

[Quevega]

Mr incredible off top of head
a few not ran 6 times also

 

[Quevega]

Need to have run in 6 chases under rules:
Classic Getaway (5)
Letsbeclearaboutit (5)
Meetingofthewaters (5)
Riaan (4)
Salvador Ziggy (4)
Favori De Champdou (4)

Need to have run in a chase under rules this season:
Mr Incredible
Le Milos
Samcro

First 4 in a chase over at least 2m 7.5F:
Adamantly Chosen
Ash Tree Meadow
Embittered
Riaan


Not sure how up to date this is, as lifted from another website :highly_amused:
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[Fouroverthrutwo]

Hills going NRMB for The National.
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[Hurricane fly]

Corach Rambler into 7/1 after his Gold Cup performance.

But the real question is how far does Delta win by

 

[Eggs]

…I started this thread with Panda Boy @ 66-1 but it’s unlikely he gets in. My main focus now is on Galvin and CAPADANNO, who I think could be the one.

 

[Quevega]

Adamantly chosen looks to have a great chance in this race now.
33-1 decent value nrnb
66-1 antepost even better

 

[Eggs]

Adamantly chosen looks to have a great chance in this race now.
33-1 decent value nrnb
66-1 antepost even better

….Fred sleeping on that 66-1, I wonder if Mullins still has an eye on the UK trainers title.

 

[Quevega]

….Fred sleeping on that 66-1, I wonder if Mullins still has an eye on the UK trainers title.

Yeah
I think he might run 4 or 5
meetingoftgewaters and adamantly look the best chances
others not so well handicapped i reckon

 

[Hurricane fly]

Hewick due to go to the Bowl so everyone will be getting a few more lbs tacked on

 

[ComplyOrDie]

The 4 I fancy and backed accordingly are:

Noble Yeats 16/1 E/W - Been campaigned solely over hurdles this season, which I don't mind at all, and has been running solidly enough in some top races. His big day will clearly be the National now. 1lb lower than last season when never nearer, only going down by 8 1/2 lengths. 14lbs swing with Corach Rambler for this years race too. I'd much rather have Noble Yeats @ 16/1 than Corach at 6's, given how hard a race Corach is going into the National off the back of.

Kitty's Light 25/1 E/W (now 20's) - Absolutely loves marathon trips. His record over trips from 3m4f+ reads 2-2-3-1-1-1, the first of those 2's was when he was only 5 years old, so a ridiculously solid performance for a horse so young. His performances over 4m reads 2-1-1 and again, the 2 was when he was just aged 6. He's very experienced for his age with 35 career starts and 25 of them over fences. He's been campaigned a mixture this season, over hurdles and fences, and I don't mind a prep run in the Ultima prior to the National, something that has been done successfully in the past.

Galvin 20/1 E/W - 11lbs lower than when running in the race last season, albeit he unseated at the 1st. Not unknown to the forum, having won the NH Chase at the festival back in 2021. Clearly goes well over extreme trips and I really liked his prep run in the Boyne Hurdle at Navan, although I do realise the prep run was actually for the X-Country at the festival, which never got ran, rather than the Grand National. I'm surprised he's been dropped so much so quickly, and think the yard have targeted this race with him this season.

Stattler 40/1 E/W - Same owner as Galvin, and one, again, that doesnt' mind a marathon trip, having also won the NH Chase at the Cheltenham Festival, back in 2022. The horse who finished miles behind him in 3rd that day was last seasons 2nd in the Grand National, Vanillier. He's got to give him 8lbs in the National this season, but that shouldn't be an issue. Vanillier is 2nd favourite, around 12/1 and Stattler is 40's. I know which one I prefer. His dams sire is one of my all time favourite sires for Grand National horses, in Old Vic, sire of Grand National winners Don't Push It, and my namesake, Comply Or Die. He's also had multiple horses that have placed in the race over the years.

 

[Quevega]

I've backed 6 so far and rank them in the following order as to their chances.

Panda Boy 2ptew 16-1 B365 & 27-1 Bex

Meetingofthewaters 4ptew 15-1 WH

Adamantly Chosen 1ptew 66-1 Betvic

Galvin 2ptew 22-1 WH

Mr Incredible 1ptew 25-1 B365

Chemical Energy 1ptew 25-1 B365

I have Kitty's Light on my to do list also but have held off for now on a class thing - and I'll no doubt add more...

Also done the related double on Meeting and Panda with The Goffer in the Topham (no idea if he runs in the race but would like his chances if he did and he looks a non stayer for the big one)

I don't think you need to stay as much as you think but you certainly need stamina after the last.

Big worry would be Corach but I might just cover him for my stakes nearer the time.