2023 Mares Novice Hurdle

[DenmanSacre]

The race hardly has a roll of honour of crack two milers has it? 2m1f on the stiffer new course takes some staying for young mares.

The roll of honour is pretty poor anyway.

Mares are incentivised after their novice campaign to go for the Mares Hurdle over 2m4 so not many of them even race again over 2m unless they have a chance of beating the geldings. Over the last 10 years, there's only Honeysuckle, Epatante and Annie Power that have proven they can beat the geldings. The rest have followed the mares programme which prioritises the mid distance.

 

[SeanRock]

The roll of honour is pretty poor anyway.

Mares are incentivised after their novice campaign to go for the Mares Hurdle over 2m4 so not many of them even race again over 2m unless they have a chance of beating the geldings. Over the last 10 years, there's only Honeysuckle, Epatante and Annie Power that have proven they can beat the geldings. The rest have followed the mares programme which prioritises the mid distance.

It’s thrown up a few nice mares over the short spell it’s been running for, unfortunately a good proportion didn’t really train on from there.

I was just stating that even over the last couple of years Love Envoi & Tellmesomethinggirl had done plenty of running over 2m4f in the lead up to Cheltenham, Concertista too the year before. Personally I’d prefer to have a mare with plenty of stamina than a flashy bridle merchant speedster.

 

[DenmanSacre]

It’s thrown up a few nice mares over the short spell it’s been running for, unfortunately a good proportion didn’t really train on from there.

I was just stating that even over the last couple of years Love Envoi & Tellmesomethinggirl had done plenty of running over 2m4f in the lead up to Cheltenham, Concertista too the year before. Personally I’d prefer to have a mare with plenty of stamina than a flashy bridle merchant speedster.

Good point. The mares races aren't ones I particularly spend much time on until closer to the time and I'm not sure I've ever had the winner antepost anyway. Take that as a good sign for Between Waters!

 

[Lobos]

If Inothewayurthinkin runs a big race in Lawlors then Lot of Joy second to him can be marked up several notches. Still think she could be 'the one'.

 

[Quevega]

I think other than Luccia, who we've only seen the once, the irish contenders form has been messy.
But Harmonya Maker and Magical Zoe have impressed me the most.
I think we might have a year when Mullins has no serious horse to go with and ends up running half a dozen again.

 

[jrjr]

Magical Zoe appeared to have a bit of ‘X’ factor about her. That gazelle like finish when Nikini was flat to the boards really leaves you wanting to see more. Could she do that up the Cheltenham hill…

 

[Quevega]

The valuable handicap in Dublin is a key race, along with the Solerina.
I suspect we've not seen some of these mares at 100%, especially the ones going for the handicap in Dublin.

 

[Saxon Warrior]

I think other than Luccia, who we've only seen the once, the irish contenders form has been messy.
But Harmonya Maker and Magical Zoe have impressed me the most.
I think we might have a year when Mullins has no serious horse to go with and ends up running half a dozen again.

Gordons got the best pack of Mares Novices, so far.

Harmonya, Halka, Liberty Beach all look more than decent.

Wonder how many he'll send to Cheltenham, and if any will solely be kept back got the Easter Grade 1 at Fairyhouse - ot they run in both.

He should send one if not two good enough to be competitive in March

 

[AaronLad]

Magical Zoe appeared to have a bit of ‘X’ factor about her. That gazelle like finish when Nikini was flat to the boards really leaves you wanting to see more. Could she do that up the Cheltenham hill…

As things stand Nikini would have a 9lb swing in the weights with magical zoe, liberty dance and saylavee from that down royal grade 3, if they were to meet in the mares novice. water to go under the bridge yet.

 

[OffTheBridle]

As things stand Nikini would have a 9lb swing in the weights with magical zoe, liberty dance and saylavee from that down royal grade 3, if they were to meet in the mares novice. water to go under the bridge yet.

Ya Nikini can turn the result with magical Zoe I agree. Hopefully she goes to fairyhouse at the end of the month

 

[Exar Essay]

Gordons got the best pack of Mares Novices, so far.

Harmonya, Halka, Liberty Beach all look more than decent.

Wonder how many he'll send to Cheltenham, and if any will solely be kept back got the Easter Grade 1 at Fairyhouse - ot they run in both.

He should send one if not two good enough to be competitive in March

Also Gordon loves sending a mare to a handicap. He's got 3 runs into Harmonya and Liberty nice and early ... one more and they'd be qualified.

 

[DenmanSacre]

Also Gordon loves sending a mare to a handicap. He's got 3 runs into Harmonya and Liberty nice and early ... one more and they'd be qualified.

Could go to the DRF mares handicap. I'd like to see The Model Kingdom in that.

 

[charlie]

Added Harmonya Maker @ 22. Plenty of mares novice winners take in Fairyhouse along the way and her RPR on her last run was 142. As a guide thats very good and she's clearly progressing and improving. Would be nice to have a blemish free CV, but I can see her winning or going close in the Solerina and going off single figures.

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[Kevloaf]

Added Harmonya Maker @ 22. Plenty of mares novice winners take in Fairyhouse along the way and her RPR on her last run was 142. As a guide thats very good and she's clearly progressing and improving. Would be nice to have a blemish free CV, but I can see her winning or going close in the Solerina and going off single figures.

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Any interest in Saylavee that beat her before Christmas? 16s?

 

[Rooster Booster]

Added Harmonya Maker @ 22. Plenty of mares novice winners take in Fairyhouse along the way and her RPR on her last run was 142. As a guide thats very good and she's clearly progressing and improving. Would be nice to have a blemish free CV, but I can see her winning or going close in the Solerina and going off single figures.

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Personally I’d want the safety net of nrnb with her as she looks tailor made for the Fairyhouse race and prefers soft ground....I do like her though. She may do both ...Laurina did ...

 

[charlie]

Any interest in Saylavee that beat her before Christmas? 16s?

I might have to add - thought Saylavee was 14's but 22's on the exchange seems fair given that form line. Could take a big step forward like HM too, just hasn't yet.

 

[Many Clouds]

As Magical Zoe beat Saylavee just under 6 lengths, surely the form of that win has been franked well with Saylavee and then Hormonya Maker winning so well. Although I do appreciate its not as simple as saying x beat x who then beat x who won well etc but it does seem to point to that Magical Zoe win being strong form. Also Nikini in 2nd only beaten a length giving away 4lb. Could possibly be a good one for Mullins.

From Magical Zoe's win:
The 3rd won next time out
5th in Sayalavee won beating Hormonya Maker who then franked that form well.
6th Liberty Dance has won twice since

Magical Zoe 10s
Nikini 25s

 

[Kevloaf]

As Magical Zoe beat Saylavee just under 6 lengths, surely the form of that win has been franked well with Saylavee and then Hormonya Maker winning so well. Although I do appreciate its not as simple as saying x beat x who then beat x who won well etc but it does seem to point to that Magical Zoe win being strong form. Also Nikini in 2nd only beaten a length giving away 4lb. Could possibly be a good one for Mullins.

From Magical Zoe's win:
The 3rd won next time out
5th in Sayalavee won beating Hormonya Maker who then franked that form well.
6th Liberty Dance has won twice since

Magical Zoe 10s
Nikini 25s

Yeah of course, working out how fit horses were each day, whether the ground and trip suited them, how well they got over the obstacles, pace of the race.... all factors and plenty more as we know!

To be perfectly honest, my general thought on form lines like that, is none stand out so look for a different form line :indecisiveness:

 

[Guinness Village]

Im just thinking that the strongest mares novice form maybe ashroe diamond. Will she place in the 2m novice at the DRF and go to Cheltenham penalty free?
might be an alternative than going solerina

 

[Lobos]

Im just thinking that the strongest mares novice form maybe ashroe diamond. Will she place in the 2m novice at the DRF and go to Cheltenham penalty free?
might be an alternative than going solerina

Certainly is after today's race