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2023 Grand National

Have bet;

Cloudy Glen Hill Sixteen
Capodanno

When I get into town, still planning to bet Lifetime Ambition, Enjoy d'Allen and will see if any 10s or above kicking round for Corach.

If Beauport or Nassalam win l, I'd have a double going onto Ain't that a Shame.

Only other bet I've done for today is Go to War in the last, Mark Howard is keen on him
 
Despite Tiger Roll, I'm still very much a 'anything below 11 stones man' and even more so in this going.

Corach Rambler, Mr Incredible, Vanillier, Ain't That a Shame, Le Milos, Velvet Elvis. A day for combination forecasts and tricasts.

An open National. A week ago it looked like Corach Rambler was heading towards short priced favouritism. Now he's becoming the each way steal.
 
Crunched some data from the last 10 years, putting more emphasis on the last 3 and backed

Delta Work
The Big Breakaway
The Big Dog
Fortescue
Eva's Oskar
Gabby's Cross
Roi Mage
Mr Incredible
Corach Rambler

More than I thought, do this every year. Weighted for Delta Work and Corach Rambler to win
 
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That was unfortunately a terrible advert for the sport, protestors causing the delay will have played a big part in that with horses being revved up, but that won't be discussed.
 
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Hurricane fly said:
That was unfortunately a terrible advert for the sport, protestors causing the delay will have played a big part in that with horses being revved up, but that won't be discussed.
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Those first few fences were brutal. Awful viewing.
 
I'm done with the National tbh. That was disgusting. Call me all the names you want, I can't align telling myself that racing is good to horses when we allow such an unedifying spectacle such stature. Walked away from watching cos I genuinely felt revolted
 
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It was no worse than countless other years. I'm not a huge fan of the race in all honesty but it doesn't stop me getting involved and watching every year so i'd be a total hypocrite to be against it. Horses die every week at unfashionable tracks well away from the eyes of the wider public, if you're into NH racing you make an awkward peace with that.
 
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robith said:
I'm done with the National tbh. That was disgusting. Call me all the names you want, I can't align telling myself that racing is good to horses when we allow such an unedifying spectacle such stature. Walked away from watching cos I genuinely felt revolted
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It was a tough watch, not many will argue with that. The way I level it with myself is by asking how many horses die in the wild (and often as livestock), without the appropriate access to food and healthcare etc. The number is multiples of the deaths due to falls etc.

Now instead of framing it as racing being responsible for x amount of deaths, I look at it as racing saves/prolongs y amount of horses lives. Magic of Light ran Tiger Roll very close for his second National, she died giving birth last year. Nature is far more crueler than the sport of horse racing could ever be.
 
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Atlantic Viking said:
It was no worse than countless other years. I'm not a huge fan of the race in all honesty but it doesn't stop me getting involved and watching every year so i'd be a total hypocrite to be against it. Horses die every week at unfashionable tracks well away from the eyes of the wider public, if you're into NH racing you make an awkward peace with that.
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I'm relatively sanguine about fatalities to an extent, as long as I believe im watching a serious sporting event and those mishaps happen in the course of that event. Personally seeing a horse stuck in the middle of a fence scrabbling around in visible distress doesn't meet that criteria.

I've been going off the National ever since I saw it in person in the One for Arthur year. Personally i dont need it in my life any more
 
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That was tough to watch today, the first circuit in particular.
did the starter let them go off a bit quick?
 
robith said:
I'm relatively sanguine about fatalities to an extent, as long as I believe im watching a serious sporting event and those mishaps happen in the course of that event. Personally seeing a horse stuck in the middle of a fence scrabbling around in visible distress doesn't meet that criteria.

I've been going off the National ever since I saw it in person in the One for Arthur year. Personally i dont need it in my life any more
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Can't argue with that, will be my last year attending.
 
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Quevega said:
I've gone with 11.

Corach Rambler looks a massive price this morning at 10-1, I was against him due to his run style prior to the Ultima, but he looked to travel and retain position a lot easier in that race and unless he reverts today he should run a massive race.

Mr Incredible should also run a decent race, but if he has to get racing early and is not still travelling then he may struggle.

The other 3 I like that I'll be backing some time today are Capodanno, Longhouse Poet and GDM, all of these are just the right sort of weight with potential for improvement.
Capodanno the only one in the top 10 of the weights I've backed as I think he is the least exposed, and could be a 170 horse.

Others in the team backed antepost are...

Coko Beach
Cloudy Glen
Enjoy Dallen
Gabbys Cross
Aint that a shame
Recite a Prayer
(all four figure returns from 1 or 2pts, except ain't that a shame)

Might back Our Power if he drifts even further.

I do respect the horses near the top of the weights and 2 or 3 will undoubtedly run well and they may even win the race if nothing really improves from further down the weights.
Delta Work the most likely.
The ground will make it harder for them all though.

Vanillier I can leave as he will likely find a way to run through at least one fence - but you never know, he has slowly improved his jumping the thick bastard.

I think without Corach Rambler the race is very open and you could make a decent case for around 75% of the field.
So if he doesn't run hos race or gets bad luck in running then anything could win.

At 10-1 though he looks very good value.
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Nice one Q… you wrote what I was thinking this morning and your confidence led me to topping up on CR :eagerness:
 
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Personally seeing a horse stuck in the middle of a fence scrabbling around in visible distress doesn't meet that criteria.
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I struggled with this big time this year.

I can't help but feel we've shot ourselves in the foot by making the fences easier and smaller though. It feels like so many more riders are being unseated than falling, which then has the knock on effect of them running loose and the carnage of them struggling over fences or running across other runners happening. I'm amazed we only lost 1 horse yesterday in all honesty but I can completely understand trainers and jockeys saying those first two fences were in part related to the protestors. I've never seen anything like that over the first two fences before and it was a safe and relatively enjoyable second half of the race for me.
 
I would agree - the situation beforehand would definitely have wound plenty of them up even if they weren’t showing it externally - the tension in the atmosphere would be insane.

The carnage early doors then resulted in far more then normal loose horse chaos as those unseating/falling early then ran on with the pack - usually those dropping out are later on in the race and the rest of the field more strung out.

Fatality and the antis excluded - I thought it was a cracking renewal and the winner was remarkable. His running style generally means he needs a bit of luck but he looked like he was made for the race and Derek gave him a lovely ride.

Vanillier was nowhere near my shortlist but also ran a belter after suffering a few blockages at various points.

Good to also read just now that Cape Gentleman although injured and now retired should recover in time.
 
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