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2022 Queen Mother Champion Chase

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Dessie the great said:
These horses will be coming out soon, a whole host of last year's novices lining up in the Haldon Gold Cup in early November.

PTKO and Politalogue going for the shloer

Shiskin, Nube Negra, Greanateen, first flow and maybe one of Willie's in the Tingle Creek.

Should be a cracking 6 weeks

Graham Rodway completely writing off PTKO chances in the big racing post preview on Mon saying she was a lucky winner and would have been beaten in another few strides... we all have opinions but...
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He is the worst Tipster on Racing Post by a long way.
How he got a job there, I have no idea.
 
Call me mad, but I'm starting to think Envoi could end up here. You'd have to think Allaho goes to the Ryanair, I don't see CPS wanting them both taking each other on at Cheltenham. Then in Henry's yard you have Indo, a Plus Tard and Eklat all for the gold cup. Long term they thought Envoi to be a gold cup horse, but when you consider his form over 2 miles when novice hurdling, he wouldn't be far off Shishkin. Granted replicating that form over 2 miles winging fences is a different ball game, but I could quite easily see him having a few races over an extended 2 miles to build confidence, then coming back to 2 miles at Leopardstown to test the likes of Energumene or Chac. Not saying he'd beat any of the big 3 but he'd add another angle to what is already shaping up to be the best race of the festival if they all make it.
 
Mullins not completely given up on the 2 mile route for Allaho then ! :smiley_simmons:
 
Lobos said:
Mullins not completely given up on the 2 mile route for Allaho then ! :smiley_simmons:
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He hasn't completely given up on him being the first horse in space on one of that Amazon blokes cock rockets either by the sounds of it.
 
Atlantic Viking said:
He hasn't completely given up on him being the first horse in space on one of that Amazon blokes cock rockets either by the sounds of it.
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:excitement::excitement:Love it. Mullins really is a prized cock. Decent trainer though.
 
Not going to bet on it but I'm very intrigued by Envoi Allen here now. Have to think Allaho is more likely for the Ryanair and Henry sounded reluctant about 3m post-race today.
 
Fir me the worry for Envio in QM is that he’s not quite quick enough over a fence. Think it would lose a few lengths in a possible classic QM this year. Though I’ve got my 225/1 shout fir Shiskin to win QM and envio God cup 20/21 & 21/22 I can see envio going ryan air now. Hope not!
 
Superstar or not, if they went to the Champion Chase up against specialist 2 milers at a 2 mile pace, surely they'd want to be going the 2 mile route in preparation rather than John Durkan or King George. I am taking it that when Henry says 'pacy' he is referring to 2.5 miles and not 3m+. That's not to say that he could develop in a further year to the GC distance, which is not an unusual circumstance, for class horses.
 
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I've still not given up on Allaho turning up here. Ryanair still odds on but Willie has dangled the carrot a little........


'Chacun Pour Soi was very good against him at Punchestown, but I still wouldn't give up on Allaho over two miles. I think we can improve the way he ran at Punchestown, which puts him right there in the firing line in Grade 1 races over two miles.'
 
Lobos said:
I've still not given up on Allaho turning up here. Ryanair still odds on but Willie has dangled the carrot a little........


'Chacun Pour Soi was very good against him at Punchestown, but I still wouldn't give up on Allaho over two miles. I think we can improve the way he ran at Punchestown, which puts him right there in the firing line in Grade 1 races over two miles.'
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Keep banging that drum Lobos :witless:

Willie is keeping his options open, nothing more - 'I'd imagine the Ryanair would look odds-on for him again this year' - so he is spelling out his intentions.

I'm not worried about Willie's team and what goes where with a view to Allaho. The difference between a proper 2 miler and a very good horse that can run over 2 miles is night and day IMO, and that was painfully evident LTO. RB clearly wanted to try the Ryanair tactics on Allaho but it was evident quickly that it wasn't going to work.
CPS has a higher cruising speed and is more comfortable over his fences at that speed. RB was niggling quite far out as Allaho was out of his comfort zone and Willie will know this. I'd be confident at least 2 of his are more comfortable over 2m than Allaho, and thats just his, before factoring in other 2 milers.

Of course, it's not inconceivable that a horse of Allaho's ability could drop back in trip, but it's highly unlikely. He's simply not seen as a 2 miler. His run LTO was a 'nothing to lose' exercise and he achieved what he always has running under 2m4f, he didn't win. Aside from WPM having better options and Allaho not looking good enough over 2m, Willie is a creature of habit. Allaho won the race of the season award because he was phenomenal in the Ryanair. Willie sent Min back out to win another Ryanair and it would be completely against Willies character to abandon a race he knows he can win.

Whilst WPM has never won the race and that might be on his mind, the 'he's never won the QMCC before' and 'he'll want the race on his CV' chat is complete nonsense in the context of sending a horse down a route it's not best suited to. IMO, of course.
 
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charlie said:
Keep banging that drum Lobos :witless:

Willie is keeping his options open, nothing more - 'I'd imagine the Ryanair would look odds-on for him again this year' - so he is spelling out his intentions.

I'm not worried about Willie's team and what goes where with a view to Allaho. The difference between a proper 2 miler and a very good horse that can run over 2 miles is night and day IMO, and that was painfully evident LTO. RB clearly wanted to try the Ryanair tactics on Allaho but it was evident quickly that it wasn't going to work.
CPS has a higher cruising speed and is more comfortable over his fences at that speed. RB was niggling quite far out as Allaho was out of his comfort zone and Willie will know this. I'd be confident at least 2 of his are more comfortable over 2m than Allaho, and thats just his, before factoring in other 2 milers.

Of course, it's not inconceivable that a horse of Allaho's ability could drop back in trip, but it's highly unlikely. He's simply not seen as a 2 miler. His run LTO was a 'nothing to lose' exercise and he achieved what he always has running under 2m4f, he didn't win. Aside from WPM having better options and Allaho not looking good enough over 2m, Willie is a creature of habit. Allaho won the race of the season award because he was phenomenal in the Ryanair. Willie sent Min back out to win another Ryanair and it would be completely against Willies character to abandon a race he knows he can win.

Whilst WPM has never won the race and that might be on his mind, the 'he's never won the QMCC before' and 'he'll want the race on his CV' chat is complete nonsense in the context of sending a horse down a route it's not best suited to. IMO, of course.
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Articulating well of late Charlie, half expecting you to be sat at home wearing a peruke and have a signing off comment under every post saying "all be seated" :excitement:
 
Outlaw said:
Articulating well of late Charlie, half expecting you to be sat at home wearing a peruke and have a signing off comment under every post saying "all be seated" :excitement:
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HAHAHAHAH :glee::glee::glee:
 
Might make a difference if Envoi goes Ryanair possibly. With A Plus Tard in the GC , Allaho would then fit nicely for Cheveley into the Champion Chase. Willie has several others that could fill the gap in the Ryanair for him as well. All very intriguing.
 
….I just wonder with the high-profile of Envoi make it more likely to be a choice between Champion Chase or Gold Cup. Thinking both races carry more prestige than Ryanair and the owners might prefer a tilt at one of those.
 
Eggs said:
….I just wonder with the high-profile of Envoi make it more likely to be a choice between Champion Chase or Gold Cup. Thinking both races carry more prestige than Ryanair and the owners might prefer a tilt at one of those.
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Important not to forget of how the owners treat NH racing. Of course CPS want winners, but when asked if he was going to be at Cheltenham to watch Envoi Allen, Chris Richardson (racing manager) said no cause he had flat breeding stuff to do. My guess if they'll wait and see come March. Lobos idea that they'll all be separated out so they neatly slot into place is not one I subscribe too. Separating talented horses is of course important, but WPM will place horses over trips that are their optimum, and definitely won't have his hand forced by a CPS.
 
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Outlaw said:
Articulating well of late Charlie, half expecting you to be sat at home wearing a peruke and have a signing off comment under every post saying "all be seated" :excitement:
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Did I not before? :boxing::devilish:
 
Them deciding to pack in with the national hunt game when David Thompson died as I think it was him really who had the passion for the NH horses would make me think they wouldn’t have any qualms about running him in the Ryanair tbh. Would say they probably take the view of it just being another grade 1.
 
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Nube Negra.

25/1 best price available.

7 years old with huge scope for improvement this season. The horse clearly has a bit of toe just watching last years race back. Stamina may be an issue as seen in his Punchestown defeat however, theres two value options for me.
Nube Negra In a sprint finish, or Chacun galloping the field to death.

Chacun still available at 6/1 which is too short for me in a Single, however I would include in multiples.

Am I crazy? do we think last years renewal was weak?
 
JamieSensible said:
Nube Negra.

25/1 best price available.

7 years old with huge scope for improvement this season. The horse clearly has a bit of toe just watching last years race back. Stamina may be an issue as seen in his Punchestown defeat however, theres two value options for me.
Nube Negra In a sprint finish, or Chacun galloping the field to death.

Chacun still available at 6/1 which is too short for me in a Single, however I would include in multiples.

Am I crazy? do we think last years renewal was weak?
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I do like the horse, he was my bet in last seasons QM, and if given a better ride would have won the race in my opinion. However, his ability to finish so strong was largely down to the race being run at a crawl. Chacun will not be hanging about this season, and you have Energumene that will want to be handy too. You'll need something that stays well and Nube isn't going to fit that mold. I see him travelling well then finding little come 2 or 3 out, similar to how it played out at Punchestown. He jumps so well though, probably best out of all the 2 milers
 
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