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2022 Novice Chase Division

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Lobos said:
Probably doesn't carry as much significance as BIF was trained by Mullins but at least we now know he'll be chasing. .............to begin with........:teapot:
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True yep. I doubt he'll be well handicapped enough for a h'cap at the festival
 
Lobos said:
Arkle.....Marsh....RSA ??
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Didn't really think that way given he's been stuck in handicap the past two years, even when a novice. Personally wouldn't have him on my mind for any G1 race. Guess his rating entitles him to test the waters at least..
 
Lobos said:
Arkle.....Marsh....RSA ??
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I am actually adamant that TBO is the National Hunt Chase horse. He didn't start off as early as Galvin did in his NHC winning season but he's our early and over a similar trip to what Galvin was. I think TBO is rated a little higher but Gordon Elliott is the man when it comes to horse placement for that race.
 
jack1092 said:
Didn't really think that way given he's been stuck in handicap the past two years, even when a novice. Personally wouldn't have him on my mind for any G1 race. Guess his rating entitles him to test the waters at least..
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His hurdles rating certainly entitles him to be talked of in the same vein as pretty much all the other potential graded Novice Chasers that are loads shorter than him currently in all the markets. Got him on board TWAR so can sit back and enjoy the fireworks now !
 
I'd be waiting for final decs before backing TBO. Gordon has two others in there including one Spectre is keen on in Definite Plan (not sure if he's priced up yet though).
 
jack1092 said:
The Bosses Oscar (2nd in the Pertemps Final off 151) is among the entries for the 2m6f beginners chase at Listowel on Wednesday (the race Back In Focus won en route to winning the 4-Miler)

taken from twitter..
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I'll take that. First step in the right direction for the NHC. Thanks for posting
 
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charlie said:
I'll take that. First step in the right direction for the NHC. Thanks for posting
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Different trainer but I see that Back in focus (Mullins) won this race en route to winning the NHC in 2013.
 
Hasn’t taken long for The Bosses Oscar to get clipped into 16s :glee:
 
Dandrew99 said:
Just requested Ontheropes for the NH Chase :encouragement:
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Thank you for contacting us with your Price Request.

After reviewing this for you, our Trading Team have advised that this is not something we would be looking to offer.

I do appreciate that this can be frustrating but as advised this is a Trading Team decision.

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I'm yet to get involved with The Bosses Oscar for the National Hunt Chase, as I have my doubts about him fitting the right profile for Gordon Elliott. I know Saxon Warrior has done extensive work in the Gordon Elliott thread, which is fantastic, and even he notes that he needs to start sooner rather than later, but even if he did start next week he'd need to go some way to match the levels of his previous winners of the race.

Some of this information is just repeated from SW's thread, but I'm going to lay it out anyway:

Galvin - Second season novice - 8 Chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Ravenhill - 6 chase runs + 7 P2P runs prior to his NH Chase win

Tiger Roll - 10 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Cause Of Causes - Second season novice - 10 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Chicago Grey - 9 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Whichever way you like to spin it, given the way Gordon campaigns his main NH Chase hope, The Bosses Oscar will need 6-8 chase runs minimum from now until December (with the exception of Cause Of Causes, the rest had a break from December at the latest, until the festival), and whilst this is a possibility none of the previous winners had started chasing this late on.

Personally I think the best way to go, as noted by Lobos is the 'Any Race' bet at 14/1, as I can see him turning up at the festival, but for which race, is the actual conundrum.
 
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After reviewing this for you, our Trading Team have advised that this is not something we would be looking to offer.

I do appreciate that this can be frustrating but as advised this is a Trading Team decision.

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Definitely going for that race then.....:barbershop_quartet_member:
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I'm yet to get involved with The Bosses Oscar for the National Hunt Chase, as I have my doubts about him fitting the right profile for Gordon Elliott. I know Saxon Warrior has done extensive work in the Gordon Elliott thread, which is fantastic, and even he notes that he needs to start sooner rather than later, but even if he did start next week he'd need to go some way to match the levels of his previous winners of the race.

Some of this information is just repeated from SW's thread, but I'm going to lay it out anyway:

Galvin - Second season novice - 8 Chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Ravenhill - 6 chase runs + 7 P2P runs prior to his NH Chase win

Tiger Roll - 10 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Cause Of Causes - Second season novice - 10 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Chicago Grey - 9 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Whichever way you like to spin it, given the way Gordon campaigns his main NH Chase hope, The Bosses Oscar will need 6-8 chase runs minimum from now until December (with the exception of Cause Of Causes, the rest had a break from December at the latest, until the festival), and whilst this is a possibility none of the previous winners had started chasing this late on.

Personally I think the best way to go, as noted by Lobos is the 'Any Race' bet at 14/1, as I can see him turning up at the festival, but for which race, is the actual conundrum.
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Agree COD. Wouldn't be a shock at all if he turned out Gordon's best Novice Chaser and went Marsh/RSA. He ran some top good races off of big weights last season and deserves to be a talked of in the same light as the other Novice Chase protagonists.
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
I'm yet to get involved with The Bosses Oscar for the National Hunt Chase, as I have my doubts about him fitting the right profile for Gordon Elliott. I know Saxon Warrior has done extensive work in the Gordon Elliott thread, which is fantastic, and even he notes that he needs to start sooner rather than later, but even if he did start next week he'd need to go some way to match the levels of his previous winners of the race.

Some of this information is just repeated from SW's thread, but I'm going to lay it out anyway:

Galvin - Second season novice - 8 Chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Ravenhill - 6 chase runs + 7 P2P runs prior to his NH Chase win

Tiger Roll - 10 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Cause Of Causes - Second season novice - 10 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Chicago Grey - 9 chase runs prior to his NH Chase win

Whichever way you like to spin it, given the way Gordon campaigns his main NH Chase hope, The Bosses Oscar will need 6-8 chase runs minimum from now until December (with the exception of Cause Of Causes, the rest had a break from December at the latest, until the festival), and whilst this is a possibility none of the previous winners had started chasing this late on.

Personally I think the best way to go, as noted by Lobos is the 'Any Race' bet at 14/1, as I can see him turning up at the festival, but for which race, is the actual conundrum.
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Escaria ten only had three runs prior to Cheltenham and ran in the nh chase last season. He ran a good race and would probably have been good enough to win most renewals. At some point Gordon will win with something that isn’t a second season chaser and September is early enough to gain experience for the task. I wouldn’t let it put me off backing tbo
 
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Lobos said:
Agree COD. Wouldn't be a shock at all if he turned out Gordon's best Novice Chaser and went Marsh/RSA. He ran some top good races off of big weights last season and deserves to be a talked of in the same light as the other Novice Chase protagonists.
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He's also run in two handicaps at the festival so far, and it would not surprise me if he was campaigned that way again either, possibly with a claimer on his back come race day like they did in the Pertemps this year. He has so many options still, and for me one of the least likely is the NH Chase currently, based on the profile of previous Elliott runners in that race.
 
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Kautostar said:
Escaria ten only had three runs prior to Cheltenham and ran in the nh chase last season. He ran a good race and would probably have been good enough to win most renewals. At some point Gordon will win with something that isn’t a second season chaser and September is early enough to gain experience for the task. I wouldn’t let it put me off backing tbo
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Good point re Escaria Ten, but doesn't retract from the fact he didn't win the race still.

It's not going to put off everyone, and it shouldn't, it's all about opinions, plus I'll be backing the any race price so I'll be sitting on a live bet provided he turns up to the festival regardless of where he runs, but for me the NH Chase is not where I see him running currently.

Worth noting he is only entered for next week, no final declaration yet.
 
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