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2022 Gold Cup

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knockando said:
This was in the Mark Howard Christmas update - thought to post on here as would peak interest for a few, and those also on Ahoy for the RSA

I have worked with various people on Racing TV over the years and they all have their different strengths. I thoroughly enjoy my trips orth of the border, not least because it means I invariably team up with Gordon Brown. The Biggar based broadcaster is not renowned for his form study but has few peers when it comes to picking up snippets of information and local ‘gossip.’ GB informed me at Aintree’s Becher Chase meeting this month that Lucinda Russell and Peter Scudamore intend giving the aforementioned star novice AHOY SENOR an entry in the Cheltenham Gold Cup in the New Year. The six year old, who was bought for ?50,000 in November last year having won an English point-to-point, looked a star of the future when beating three rivals by upwards of 31 lengths in a Grade 2 novices’ chase at Newbury’s Winter Carnival and is already rated 157 over fences.

Unfashionably bred being by Dylan Thomas, his next assignment is on Sunday in the Grade 1 Kauto Star Novices’ Chase at Kempton (1.55), where he will cross swords with old rival Bravemansgame for a second time. Ahoy Senor beat Paul Nicholls’ Challow Hurdle winner by seven lengths in the Grade 1 Sefton Novices’ Hurdle at Aintree in April and it is possible he will outstay the same opponent over weekend. Reported to have done a ‘scintillating’ piece of work last Saturday, the Scottish raider couldn’t be in better form.

With that in mind, it may be worth taking the 33/1 (Bet365, Skybet, William Hill) on offer for the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Remember where you heard it first – an exclusive from GB News.
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…PP recently had a ‘special’ for it to run in the next GC. Big Bucks here misread the date but it looks like it mightn’t be a bad bet if it was just to turn up.

Sky also have a 50-1 RaB for AS to win the Kauto Star & GC. Perhaps the Kauto Star is key, win that and they will head GC.
 
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Let’s hope it’s an entry and no more (Yes I’m pocket talking). Plenty of time for Gold Cups down the line and could picture him falling out the back of the TV if he runs in it next year making too many niggling mistakes. Full steam ahead to the BANC.........................
 
knockando said:
This was in the Mark Howard Christmas update - thought to post on here as would peak interest for a few, and those also on Ahoy for the RSA

Lucinda Russell and Peter Scudamore intend giving the aforementioned star novice AHOY SENOR an entry in the Cheltenham Gold Cup in the New Year.

With that in mind, it may be worth taking the 33/1 (Bet365, Skybet, William Hill) on offer for the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Remember where you heard it first – an exclusive from GB News.[/I]
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Maddy Playle suggested similar in today's Racing Post. She also suggested backing Appreciate It for The Stayers 'just in case' Klassical Dream doesn't make it.
 
BookieBasher said:
Let’s hope it’s an entry and no more (Yes I’m pocket talking). Plenty of time for Gold Cups down the line and could picture him falling out the back of the TV if he runs in it next year making too many niggling mistakes. Full steam ahead to the BANC.........................
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This is turning into the recurring nightmare of coneygree.
 
Would love to see him in the GC, new course 3 mile 2 1/2 would suit him down to the ground.

Sadly though I just cant see it happening, he's only 6. They'll be other gold cups.

He has only had 5 runs under rules and it would not be the right thing to do to throw a horse that inexperienced into the deep end.

But the biggest and most immediate stumbling block is boxing day. He will get whalloped by Braveman o who will be too pacy for him around Kempton. Once that happens any talk of going to the Gold Cup will disappear with it.

Just my humble opinion of course!
 
Hardy Eustace said:
he's only 6. They'll be other gold cups.

He has only had 5 runs under rules and it would not be the right thing to do to throw a horse that inexperienced into the deep end.
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Agree and agree.
Seem to remember a similar discussion about On the Ropes before the Hennessy, I can’t ever believe it would make sense for a novice to get thrown into a Gold Cup…
 
Al Boum Photo, no Christmas entries and 9 years old.
Currently sitting on a 20/1 ticket for the Gold Cup, to cash or not to cash, that is the question?

Who still has faith in the Boum?
 
JamieSensible said:
Al Boum Photo, no Christmas entries and 9 years old.
Currently sitting on a 20/1 ticket for the Gold Cup, to cash or not to cash, that is the question?

Who still has faith in the Boum?
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At least wait to see if he gets an entry for Tramore on New Years Day. If he's not entered there I'd be worried.
 
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Al Boum Photo said:
At least wait to see if he gets an entry for Tramore on New Years Day. If he's not entered there I'd be worried.
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Good point.

It is worrying however you look at it though - Willie said in his stables tours they were going to run him more this year, so the fact they haven't is a bit fishy to me.
 
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Hardy Eustace said:
Good point.

It is worrying however you look at it though - Willie said in his stables tours they were going to run him more this year, so the fact they haven't is a bit fishy to me.
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I'm pretty sure he came out and said he would wait until Tramore but with the possibility of running again before Cheltenham.
 
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Al Boum Photo said:
I'm pretty sure he came out and said he would wait until Tramore but with the possibility of running again before Cheltenham.
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“I’ll try and get him out as soon as I can, definitely by Christmas,” Mullins added.

“I’ll probably go to Tramore, but I’ll get a run or two into him before that, I think.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse...nners-25386221

I think we’re going to do things differently with him this time around. Last season we set out to give him the same minimalist campaign that had worked so well the previous two years, but it probably wasn’t really the same as he’d had such a long break due to Covid wiping out the end of the 2019/20 season. In fairness to him, he still ran very well in the Gold Cup, but we came away from it feeling that he might have just benefited from a heavier preparation. We are setting out to run him more often this season with the aim of getting to the Gold Cup a fitter horse. Our plans aren’t set in stone for him, but the John Durkan Memorial Punchestown Chase is a potential starting point for him.

https://jumpsm.attheraces.com/features/stable-tours/willie-mullins---part-1
 
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Hardy Eustace said:
But the biggest and most immediate stumbling block is boxing day. He will get whalloped by Braveman o who will be too pacy for him around Kempton. Once that happens any talk of going to the Gold Cup will disappear with it.

Just my humble opinion of course!
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What makes you think he’d wallop him? Ahoy Senor was plenty quick enough around a sharp 3 miles at Aintree. Bit too quick for Bravemansgame if I remember rightly.
 
Stormez said:
What makes you think he’d wallop him? Ahoy Senor was plenty quick enough around a sharp 3 miles at Aintree. Bit too quick for Bravemansgame if I remember rightly.
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I just think kempton maybe a bit tight for him. Braveman will be gaining a length at every fence, and although Ahoy beat him at Aintree Braveman had a gruelling race at Cheltenham.

Dont get me wrong I rate Ahoy, and think hell make a cracking staying chaser but he won't be carrying any of my hard earned on boxing day!

Are you in the Ahoy camp? Or just calling me out for my flippancy? Both are commendable! :excitement:
 
Hardy Eustace said:
I just think kempton maybe a bit tight for him. Braveman will be gaining a length at every fence, and although Ahoy beat him at Aintree Braveman had a gruelling race at Cheltenham.

Dont get me wrong I rate Ahoy, and think hell make a cracking staying chaser but he won't be carrying any of my hard earned on boxing day!

Are you in the Ahoy camp? Or just calling me out for my flippancy? Both are commendable! :excitement:
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No I’m definitely in the Ahoy camp. I can see the appeal of Bravemansgame, his jumping is as good as it gets for a novice.

My concern with him is he’s a 2.5 miler, not a 3 miler.

You could say he can away with that around Kempton, but I think that’s a myth. It might be a flat 3 miles but that also means they often go flat out for 3 miles which is just as likely to find them out.
 
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I would love to see a horse win both the King George and Gold Cup.
Been a while.
The thought of a champion at two very different races appeals to me.
Only 2 realistic chances this time imo, Minella and Chantry.
One already won the Gold Cup, but has to prove good enough at Kempton, the other with a lot to prove in either race, but unexposed as to how high he can reach in this game.

Another possibilty i guess would be Mr Fisher, purely cos he is totally unexposed, but he would have to improve his jumping during a whole race to figure in either race.

Anyway, heres hoping !!
 
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