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2022 Gold Cup

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Ahoy Senor is also entered into a novice chase at Wetherby. I just think they're being careful. I'd be shocked if he ran at Carlisle.

I have noticed Envoi has shortened steadily for this and to a lesser degree the Ryanair. People backing in anticipation of his run this weekend or is it something else?

I have been scratching my head trying to think of angles for this. Scrolling through Oddschecker isn't helping. I was fully on board with Eklat De Rire and delighted when I opened FJ for the first time in ages this week that most of the forum felt the same. Other than that though I'm not warming to anything.

The top 2 are a given, no more needs to be said. If APT loses its opener and goes to double figures I might back it but both are not backable for me right now, which might prove ironic as I ask myself, well what bloody beats them?

Cannot have Chantry House and I'll be so upset if he ends up winning this. But it keeps on winning so maybe I'm stone wrong.

Envoi I love but I've felt like the previous heir as the second coming, Samcro, I feel 3m2 is too steep for him. I've him pencilled in for the Ryanair though.

What does Willie bring this year? I'm not keen on ABP for obvious reasons. He'd want to be very very special to rebound this year and win. 20s not the worst AP bet you could make though. Asterion Forlonge, nah, Melon, nah. Carefully Selected looks like age and injury has taken its chance.

The Big Getaway is one I could warm to and at 66s I might be tempted. He's the sort of horse I like for a race like this. I know they might think Ryanair but I always felt 3m+ was the gig.

Outside of Willies you've the usuals like Delta Work who has a lot of racing done, you have Champ who is a big X for me, Galvin who I doubt runs but maybe Gordon will give it a go. Horse owes him nothing and might be worth a push. Secret Reprieve who'd need to find a lot to feature I think. Espoir De Romay, who knows at this stage. Melon and Fakir want the Ryanair trip for me. Samcro is finished. The Big Breakaway has potential but I'm sworn off Tizzard's horses until further notice unless there's something really special there. Fiddlerontheroof is one to keep in mind but would want to come on a lot but I'd warm to it more than Shan Blue for example

Imperial Aura is one I've landed on which I haven't dismissed straight away. Would want to show a lot after two stale outings but can be forgiven for at least one of those anyway. Seems like the further trip is on the cards anyway which is positive.

So after all my blabbering and head scratching, other than Eklat De Rire which is in the book already and APT which might enter it if it drops to double figures, I have:

The Big Getaway @66s
Imperial Aura @50s
And maybe Fiddlerontheroof @66s

And a few yet to be determined. Might just put my energy towards other races and flip a coin between the top two in March :bee:
 
So why declare him for a race as tough as this first time up over fences? I know he may not run but it makes a massive statement to me.

But hasn't Ahoy just been entered, (not yet declared) for Carlisle so none of the connections of any of the horses entered are making any "statement", they are just making an entry without knowing what else is being entered?
 
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What does Willie bring this year?

Janidil!

5th in an above average renewal of the Bartlett, so two years on staying the gold cup trip should be no problem you’d think/hope.

Took a while to get it right with him novice chasing for whatever reason after a v impressive win in a beginners, don’t know what went wrong st Stephens day in Limerick but didn’t look great from the outset however wasn’t going back when falling the next day in the flogas, too early to tell how he would have fared ultimately, needs to brush up his jumping but you’d have said that about al Boum photo at this point in his career.

anyway he was really impressive in fairyhouse, winning readily, and I think he’d have no issue at 3m+ ridden similar to take it up strongly late on.

I had mentioned him on here for this before, and was waiting to see an entry before adding him, but looks like somebody has now had him priced up with a few as well as got him in the exchange markets and there are worse 50/1 bets, IMO, some of them from that stable even.
 
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Ahoy Senor is also entered into a novice chase at Wetherby. I just think they're being careful. I'd be shocked if he ran at Carlisle.

I have noticed Envoi has shortened steadily for this and to a lesser degree the Ryanair. People backing in anticipation of his run this weekend or is it something else?

I have been scratching my head trying to think of angles for this. Scrolling through Oddschecker isn't helping. I was fully on board with Eklat De Rire and delighted when I opened FJ for the first time in ages this week that most of the forum felt the same. Other than that though I'm not warming to anything.

The top 2 are a given, no more needs to be said. If APT loses its opener and goes to double figures I might back it but both are not backable for me right now, which might prove ironic as I ask myself, well what bloody beats them?

Cannot have Chantry House and I'll be so upset if he ends up winning this. But it keeps on winning so maybe I'm stone wrong.

Envoi I love but I've felt like the previous heir as the second coming, Samcro, I feel 3m2 is too steep for him. I've him pencilled in for the Ryanair though.

What does Willie bring this year? I'm not keen on ABP for obvious reasons. He'd want to be very very special to rebound this year and win. 20s not the worst AP bet you could make though. Asterion Forlonge, nah, Melon, nah. Carefully Selected looks like age and injury has taken its chance.

The Big Getaway is one I could warm to and at 66s I might be tempted. He's the sort of horse I like for a race like this. I know they might think Ryanair but I always felt 3m+ was the gig.

Outside of Willies you've the usuals like Delta Work who has a lot of racing done, you have Champ who is a big X for me, Galvin who I doubt runs but maybe Gordon will give it a go. Horse owes him nothing and might be worth a push. Secret Reprieve who'd need to find a lot to feature I think. Espoir De Romay, who knows at this stage. Melon and Fakir want the Ryanair trip for me. Samcro is finished. The Big Breakaway has potential but I'm sworn off Tizzard's horses until further notice unless there's something really special there. Fiddlerontheroof is one to keep in mind but would want to come on a lot but I'd warm to it more than Shan Blue for example

Imperial Aura is one I've landed on which I haven't dismissed straight away. Would want to show a lot after two stale outings but can be forgiven for at least one of those anyway. Seems like the further trip is on the cards anyway which is positive.

So after all my blabbering and head scratching, other than Eklat De Rire which is in the book already and APT which might enter it if it drops to double figures, I have:

The Big Getaway @66s
Imperial Aura @50s
And maybe Fiddlerontheroof @66s

And a few yet to be determined. Might just put my energy towards other races and flip a coin between the top two in March :bee:

Well written this - you’ve got exactly the same selections as me for most of the reasons you’ve stated too, although I won’t be looking at Fiddler. The Forum added to any thoughts on Eklat & I’ve thought the step up to 3m + would suit IA & TBG… both are live, unexposed outsiders that could run big races against the top of the market who have been there before, are a year older & we know how hard it is to run in 2, let alone win 2. We could also see a significant reduction in price on them should they prove to be 3m candidates in prep runs. Happy to be in at 66s & 50s so will leave now. Chantry House is the fly in the ointment for me.
 
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Well written this - you’ve got exactly the same selections as me for most of the reasons you’ve stated too, although I won’t be looking at Fiddler. The Forum added to any thoughts on Eklat & I’ve thought the step up to 3m + would suit IA & TBG… both are live, unexposed outsiders that could run big races against the top of the market who have been there before, are a year older & we know how hard it is to run in 2, let alone win 2. We could also see a significant reduction in price on them should they prove to be 3m candidates in prep runs. Happy to be in at 66s & 50s so will leave now. Chantry House is the fly in the ointment for me.

Didn’t Imperial Aura bleed in the Ryanair? Obviously, that’s far from ideal.
 
Didn’t Imperial Aura bleed in the Ryanair? Obviously, that’s far from ideal.

Yeah he did and agreed not ideal. He was also run off his feet and never travelling throughout which I’m hoping the step up to 3m will sort out. Other than that run though, Cheltenham form reads 122 so he clearly likes the track, the trainer has said they’re looking forward to stepping up in trip and runs for owners who know how to win it. At the price (50s generally) I’m happy to take a chance the step up will suit.
 
Didn't realise IA bled, well worth noting. I might add TBG f
 
Fully on board with imperial aura as a value bet in gold cup. Gave Galvin a pound and a beating in the novice handicap chase a couple of years ago and has basically followed the same path as a plus tard but with slightly different results. I'm more than willing to forgive the last two runs and whilst the blood vessel breaking is a concern, it's well accounted for in the price. I don't think 14/1 for the Betfair chase is a bad pric either if he's ready to go on the day...
 
Rachael gets/keeps the Envoi Allen ride on Saturday. Davy riding Vado Forte in the same race, Jack on Coko Beach.
 

That's gutting for Jack. He is technically Minella Indo's jockey, The Gold Cup Winners Jockey, and is being forced to give up that ride for Delta Work.

If this situation stays all the way to the GC, which I wouldn't be surprised who will ride the other of Minella Indo or A Plus Tard after Rachel gets her pick.

Jack could miss out on a GC win here just because of Gordon's stubbornness
 
That’s the job though, Gordon has to do the best for his owners
 
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That's gutting for Jack. He is technically Minella Indo's jockey, The Gold Cup Winners Jockey, and is being forced to give up that ride for Delta Work.

If this situation stays all the way to the GC, which I wouldn't be surprised who will ride the other of Minella Indo or A Plus Tard after Rachel gets her pick.

Jack could miss out on a GC win here just because of Gordon's stubbornness

I'm guessing it'll be Darragh O'keefe if Jack doesnt get his ride back
 
That’s the job though, Gordon has to do the best for his owners

100%! Harsh... but fair! Why would he give his competition his rider to someone else when he can pull rank and get his jockey for HIS horses and HIS Employers?

Yes it's controversail as its a Gold Cup horse but still needs to stand up here.
 
Tough for Davy and Jack to not having Indo or Envoi to look forward to for the year. They're both bound to be gutted. Fair enough from Gordon though, I don't think he's being too sour.
 
Gordon probably won't have two GC contenders come March as his staying chasers already look a little thin in the ground, so Jack and/or Davy will probably be available.
 
O'Leary believes Envoi Allen is one of the best, if not the best horse, he has ever seen, and expects a cakewalk from the favourite if he's back to anything like his best.

O'Leary said: "Coko Beach is a nice horse but he's taking on the best horse who I feel has ever looked through a bridle.

"We've a nice horse but we're taking on a superstar. If Envoi Allen is over whatever hiccup he had in the spring, he'll be impossible to beat."
 
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….Sky have Eklat @ 33-1 to win Ladbroke & place in GC.
 
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O'Leary said: "Coko Beach is a nice horse but he's taking on the best horse who I feel has ever looked through a bridle.


​​​​​​Says the man who talks through his hole