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2017 Cheltenham Gold Cup

...and what have I missed regarding Minella Rocco.... best priced 20/1 now? Sea of Blue?

Must be a pricewise.

Ties in with the "stamina question" about Thistlecrack.

Last years RSA has the form of a chocolate tea pot so the 4 milers look the only worry for the market leaders at the moment.

He was too big at 33/1 ew and he may have a chance over 3m2f up the hill at the end. Not flashy but a true stayer. If he brushed up his jumping he'd make a National horse.
 
Not pricewise but tipped up somewhere.

Needs a good run in Irish Hennessy.
 
I heard Minella Rocco tipped up somewhere...may have been a Racing Post Podcast.

The angle they took was that if he runs well in the Irish Gold Cup his price will be much shorter (than the 33-40/1 on offer at the time) and if he runs poorly he probably wouldn't go to Cheltenham, so if betting NRNB you're either getting a bigger price with each way value or your money back if he doesn't run
 
Was about a week ago he was tipped up on the podcast though and to be fair it has been fairly consistent that people have mentioned him as over priced. Just seemed the collapse came for no specific reason other than Thistlecrack?

Ooooh maybe it is his run behind Many Clouds when he fell? On Native Rover last year and the fall this year he was over priced ... maybe people latched on?

I think Ista or FM gave the heads up at 50s so hope a few people got on then!
 
I'm going to add Zabana and Don Poli at best nrnb prices.

Both appear to be overpriced too me.
 
Resigning myself to another year flying the Don Poli flag

I wish I knew how to quit you
 
I'm going to add Zabana and Don Poli at best nrnb prices.

Both appear to be overpriced too me.

Shame on you for not backing Don Poli at 50/1 as he picks up 3rd in this before winning the national :D
 
Had a little bet on Irish Cavalier, 66-1 , got an excellent C.V
inc a festival win and charlie hall chase .
 
Had a little bet on Irish Cavalier, 66-1 , got an excellent C.V
inc a festival win and charlie hall chase .

Seems to be better now over further too ..... certainly looks a bit below top level, but if any race throws up a 'non-classy winner' of the week in the big one, it is this race.
 
Leppy Sunday


1 Carlingford Lough(166) John P. McManus John E. Kiely Barry Geraghty 11,10
2 Don Poli(161) Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott David Mullins 11,10
3 Empire Of Dirt(160) Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Jack Kennedy(T) 11,10
4 Minella Rocco(158) John P. McManus Jonjo O'Neill (in GB) Aidan Coleman(T) 11,10
5 More Of That(154) John P. McManus Jonjo O'Neill (in GB) Mark Walsh(C) 11,10
6 Road To Riches(158) Gigginstown House Stud Noel Meade Sean Flanagan(C) 11,10
7 Sizing John (GB)(164) Ann & Alan Potts Partnership Mrs John Harrington Robbie Power 11,10
8 Zabana(153) C.Jones Andrew Lynch Davy Russell 11,10
 
Pat Keane's latest thoughts

The first thing that struck you, when the entries for tomorrow’s Stan James Irish Gold Cup at Leopardstown became available on Tuesday, was how moderate a contest it looked.

At that stage, there were ten possibilities and it took some leap of faith to envisage any of them playing a meaningful role in the Cheltenham Gold Cup next month.

Those that are left in the contest have no real pretensions to being top class and the winner will have to produce something that has been hidden under the bonnet until now if he is to be afforded more than a cursory glance.

Mind you this Irish Gold Cup has been on a bit of a downward spiral for a while and has not gone to the subsequent winner of the Cheltenham showpiece since Imperial Call in 1996.

It used to be a really great race and has been won in the past by seriously good horses, such as Carvill’s Hill, Jodami, Imperial Call, Danoli, Dorans Pride, Florida Pearl and Beef Or Salmon.

But for a number of years now it has become increasingly irrelevant as a Cheltenham trial and this renewal is more notable for those that are missing, rather than those who are running.

For instance, neither Djakadam or Outlander were left in on Tuesday and that, at least, is a statement of intent on the part of connections.

They will now head for Cheltenham particularly fresh horses, rested since Outlander beat Don Poli by two and a quarter lengths into second in the Lexus at Leopardstown at Christmas, with Djakadam a head further away in third.

Djakadam, still only an eight-year-old, has twice finished second in the Gold Cup and Willie Mullins clearly believes that this preparation offers his relative underachiever the best opportunity to finally deliver.

In a campaign that has seen Mullins on the canvas more than once, but very much still standing, it would be mighty ironic to see Djakadam give him the Gold Cup, after he trained the second on no less than six occasions.

This is some wide-open Gold Cup and makes a mockery of those derisory odds-on quotes earlier regarding Colin Tizzard’s Thistlecrack.

This week Thistlecrack was a 7-4 shot after, in my opinion, actually boosting his prospects at Cheltenham on his latest appearance when beaten a head into second by the ill-fated Many Clouds.

To my eyes this was his best performance over fences, better than his easy win in the King George at Kempton, because he would have learned a lot more, after being forced out of his comfort zone.

At such cramped odds, I will still be against him next month, but if you have always been a fan then there is no reason to jump ship now.

Native River, especially, and Cue Card give Tizzard a strong hand. Native River landed the Welsh National at Chepstow in some style and the form was boosted when Baie Des Iles, beaten over 23 lengths, when in receipt of 12lbs, bolted in at Punchestown last Sunday.

Then you have Bristol de Mai, who is only six and scored by 22 lengths at Haydock last time. The second, Otago Trail, won easily at Sandown a week ago. The fact that Bristol de Mai and Native River are taking each other on in the Denman Chase at Newbury today promises to be most informative.

Add in the hugely impressive Gowran Park Thyestes Chase winner, Champagne West, Outlander, Djakadam and one or two others and the only conclusion to be drawn is if they all turn up on the day that Thistlecrack is virtually guaranteed to be a bigger price than he is now.
 
Another strong performance form Native River today. The proximity of Le Mercury and BDM never really looking a bit below par could raise some questions on how strong the form is but a 3 runner race can often throw up a messy race. I think it's clear that when Bristol de Mai gets his ideal conditions i.e soft ground at Haydock he's a serious horse but outside of these conditions he just falls short, despite being very young still. Not sure what Jacob was doing not riding out from the front though.

Another win for Native River though and he's looking the most solid horse in the race. Hard to find a fault really. The form of his Hennessy and Welsh National wins so far has only yielded 2 winners (Theatre Guide and Regal Encore) which could probably be the only thing you could hold against the horse coming into the Gold Cup.

The ground on the day still holds the key for me. Good ground and I think the Fav will be too good for the lot...soft ground then Native River and Djakadam are right up there
 
Native River should, for me. be very close to fav by now....
 
Only should be shorter than 4/1 because of each way bets. Can anyone put a case up for this to not be in the 3?

I'm only covered for the win ... but it almost looks a vet to nothing for each way .... keeps delivering add expected ....
 
I wasnt that impressed with Native River yesterday. It was a messy race but much more taken with his earlier runs.
 
Dependent on the outcome of the Irish Gold Cup today i'd make him around a 5/2 shot.

Yeah struggle to see him out of the frame. He'll run his race whatever the ground, opposition, race tactics etc
 
Sizing John at 33/1 NRNB for the Gold Cup ... runs well today, much shorter. Doesn't run well, goes for the Ryanair... bet to nothing again.