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RSA Chase 2019

quevega said:
Got some engine kIlbricken Storm, but jumps like a sack of spuds, could almost hear the back legs thudding to the turf after the floaty jumps.
That takes so much out of a horse he'll have no chance in this, unless he improves, and he jumped right which is another issue.
Glad I've backed for stayers as well.
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He certainly didn't look a natural over fences. I'm going to look at the stayers hurdle prices for KS after that too.
 
Scooby91 said:
The good thing is, I was a little worried today, not the opposition, but he hates real heavy ground. So I have to say I'm pretty delighted with that and onwards from here.
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Yeah the ground could be a reason for the jumping I suppose
 
Tom Segal said KS was exceptional over his fences. Was I watching a different race to him? :confused:
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Tom Segal said KS was exceptional over his fences. Was I watching a different race to him? :confused:
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He does have the odd 'mad' comment now and again. I feel like he has gone so far out of the way to be against the grain he's lost the edge he had. I used to love listening to him when I first got into racing but I struggle to learn anything now.
 
I did'nt see the actual race , But the Tizzards sounded very happy with him ??. and once again it was his first
chase . sounds like he battled back to win after being headed.??
 
BigChaang said:
I did'nt see the actual race , But the Tizzards sounded very happy with him ??. and once again it was his first
chase . sounds like he battled back to win after being headed.??
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It was his jumping that concerned me BC. It got progressively worse as the race went on but others may see it differently, and they clearly do judging by Tom Segal's comments!
 
Can't see how KS goes for this, and IF he does he won't be winning it IMO, for me he doesn't have the pace (this may also depend on the ground at the time of the festival)!

Delta Work & Next Destination both beat him over 3m at Punchestown, and the likelihood is a horse like Next Destination will improve more for the step up in trip as that was his first try over 3m.

Majority of KS's winning races have been grinded out on soft/heavy, his defeats have been over shorter or on ground that is not soft/heavy, as per Punchestown (Yielding).

His first 2 PTP's he 'kept on behind' or was 'nearest at finish' over 3m.

I won't be playing him in this market, have backed him for the NH Chase instead, but I could possibly see him miss the festival IF the ground does not come up on the softer side of 'good'.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Can't see how KS goes for this, and IF he does he won't be winning it IMO, for me he doesn't have the pace (this may also depend on the ground at the time of the festival)!

Delta Work & Next Destination both beat him over 3m at Punchestown, and the likelihood is a horse like Next Destination will improve more for the step up in trip as that was his first try over 3m.

Majority of KS's winning races have been grinded out on soft/heavy, his defeats have been over shorter or on ground that is not soft/heavy, as per Punchestown (Yielding).

His first 2 PTP's he 'kept on behind' or was 'nearest at finish' over 3m.

I won't be playing him in this market, have backed him for the NH Chase instead, but I could possibly see him miss the festival IF the ground does not come up on the softer side of 'good'.
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Dosent have the pace? He could drop in trip on his punchestown run, he travelled much the best. He also dosent act on heavy at all, he was beaten by far lesser horses om it convincingly in a trial.

He was beat at punchestown on yielding but all 3 of them ran a hell of a race and are quality horses

Saying that iv no strong opinion on who wins this, iv gone scatter gun on the ones I think. But the punchestown race has an unbelievable record for this race. Would have been 1, 2, 3 last year. And that's with the winner out and the 2nd winning the stayers.
 
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Scooby91 said:
Dosent have the pace? He could drop in trip on his punchestown run, he travelled much the best. He also dosent act on heavy at all, he was beaten by far lesser horses om it convincingly in a trial.

He was beat at punchestown on yielding but all 3 of them ran a hell of a race and are quality horses
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What bit of form suggests he could drop in trip?

His only win over 2m was a novice hurdle race where we were to not know the complete outcome as his only market rival fell at the last when still in contention.

He got hammered over his only try at 2m 4f, breeding suggests 3m+ too, I'm just struggling how a case can be made for a horse that really has no credentials over shorter than 3m, just because he travelled well in one race?

He has had 2 races on heavy now, won 1, lost 1, I'd suggest the one he lost was down to the trip (that 2m 4f race) more than the ground, given his solid runs on soft, which include soft (heavy in places) for the festival win in the AB.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
What bit of form suggests he could drop in trip?

His only win over 2m was a novice hurdle race where we were to not know the complete outcome as his only market rival fell at the last when still in contention.

He got hammered over his only try at 2m 4f, breeding suggests 3m+ too, I'm just struggling how a case can be made for a horse that really has no credentials over shorter than 3m, just because he travelled well in one race?

He has had 2 races on heavy now, won 1, lost 1, I'd suggest the one he lost was down to the trip (that 2m 4f race) more than the ground, given his solid runs on soft, which include soft (heavy in places) for the festival win in the AB.
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His punchestown run and Albert bartlett run he travelled lovely I genuinely was worried coming in to this season he could be suited more to a drop in trip. Then tizzard out him straight over 3. In that 2m4 race it was a bog watch it he just diddnt act on it at all and was Beat a long way out
 
Scooby91 said:
His punchestown run and Albert bartlett run he travelled lovely I genuinely was worried coming in to this season he could be suited more to a drop in trip. Then tizzard out him straight over 3. In that 2m4 race it was a bog watch it he just diddnt act on it at all and was Beat a long way out
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It was a bog in the AB, but he done that well enough? Unless the horses in behind were just average and he beat them due to his class only?

I have watched that 2m 4f race, he couldn't go with them IMO (outpaced), he needs a test, it is why Tizzard put him up to 3m, the same way Thistlecrack had to be put up in trip to see him in best light, though I do think Thistlecrack was/is a 3 miler and does not need further like I feel KS does.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
It was a bog in the AB, but he done that well enough? Unless the horses in behind were just average and he beat them due to his class only?

I have watched that 2m 4f race, he couldn't go with them IMO (outpaced), he needs a test, it is why Tizzard put him up to 3m, the same way Thistlecrack had to be put up in trip to see him in best light, though I do think Thistlecrack was/is a 3 miler and does not need further like I feel KS does.
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"He is obviously a Cheltenham Festival winner and I would say we would go novice chasing straight away but wouldn’t dismiss the Stayers’ Hurdle straightaway. He has the speed to win over two and he has won over three and I would love to run him in all the big staying novices’ chases"

I respect your opinion. It's possible. It's just different to how I see it. In a couple of runs well find out more. My initial thoughts going in to the season were to try and get a few quid on the exchanges for JLT at huge prices.
 
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Scooby91 said:
"He is obviously a Cheltenham Festival winner and I would say we would go novice chasing straight away but wouldn’t dismiss the Stayers’ Hurdle straightaway. He has the speed to win over two and he has won over three and I would love to run him in all the big staying novices’ chases"
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Finian's Oscar all over again :highly_amused: KS could end up in the Arkle ;)

Fair play though, and if you manage to cop on the JLT then it will have been an inspired decision.
 
Rhinestone_Cowboy said:
I see Andy Holding has put Black Op up for this: https://www.oddschecker.com/tips/ho...113-andy-holdings-rsa-chase-ante-post-preview

It will be interesting to see how he jumps tomorrow as there were question marks about some of his hurdling last year
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Big fan of Andy Holding but that's am awful tip isn't it?!

Target not certain, at 16/1 in a division where we have a couple of very powerful yards with very strong candidates against a horse who you absolutely would NOT trust to take to fences as a given?

I haven't read it yet but I can't see me being convinced
 
Kevloaf said:
Big fan of Andy Holding but that's am awful tip isn't it?!

Target not certain, at 16/1 in a division where we have a couple of very powerful yards with very strong candidates against a horse who you absolutely would NOT trust to take to fences as a given?

I haven't read it yet but I can't see me being convinced
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Exactly my thoughts, needs to spend some time on here
 
Read it and thought the point he makes about Black Op having more speed should being the JLT into the equation... which had to be a consideration before NRNB at 16s.
 
Decent form boost for delta work there with Ben Dundee winning what looked to be a reasonable race.
 
That looked like a solid piece of form at cheltenham - Not for RSA winners but in terms of the handicapper being able to drop World's End's mark a little that is.
 
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