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RSA Chase 2019

Scooby91 said:
Because 1 is a (154) now 152 rated hurdler with a mares allowance of 7 pounds running against last year's novices of which is scarse in the 2 1/2 division. Can la bague au roi beat Black op over fences, she wouldnt be priced up fav but of course she can. Shes a huge chasing mare and The form book says she can.

And the other has beat absolutely nothing and running against the very best 2 mile hurdlers in the land the likes the horses she's been up against would get lapped by.
Can laurina beat buveur dair over 2 miles ....
Not a clue but that is an unbelievable step up in class. Nothing in the form book says she can


There's far more chance la bague au roi can beat black op over fences which we might see soon.
Than laurina beating buveur dair over hurdles.


I don't think you realise just how good the likes of
buveur dair are compared to cap soleil who's not even a 2 miler she just got her ground, ( which shows how poor the lot beind her were) . or alletrix / lackeneen leader.
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La Bague's rating is wrong IMO, and was achieved running against a similar class of horses that Laurina has beaten, every time she has stepped up in class she's been found out, the excuses for this are now boring.
Her best piece of form was beating Jer's Girl and midnight tour, earning her a 9lb hike, she got a further hike for hammering lower rated horse next time.
Jer's Girl has not got close to winning a race since and has been beaten out of sight in handicaps, although she finished ahead of bague in the mares,
Midnight Tour, who was beat four lengths by Bague that day, ran her best ever race in the mares, but was beaten by woolstone one in the race before the festival.
Laurina beat woolstone one 47l jogging at punchestown.

Now form is hard to take literally for a myriad of reasons, and it's up to the individual what you choose to follow, and ignore.

But in a nutshell.
Laurina's rating definitely may be wrong, but equally may underestimate her ability.
Pretty sure La Bague Au Roi rating is wrong.
 
quevega said:
La Bague's rating is wrong IMO, and was achieved running against a similar class of horses that Laurina has beaten, every time she has stepped up in class she's been found out, the excuses for this are now boring.
Her best piece of form was beating Jer's Girl and midnight tour, earning her a 9lb hike, she got a further hike for hammering lower rated horse next time.
Jer's Girl has not got close to winning a race since and has been beaten out of sight in handicaps, although she finished ahead of bague in the mares,
Midnight Tour, who was beat four lengths by Bague that day, ran her best ever race in the mares, but was beaten by woolstone one in the race before the festival.
Laurina beat woolstone one 47l jogging at punchestown.

Now form is hard to take literally for a myriad of reasons, and it's up to the individual what you choose to follow, and ignore.

But in a nutshell.
Laurina's rating definitely may be wrong, but equally may underestimate her ability.
Pretty sure La Bague Au Roi rating is wrong.
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She hit the last very hard in the mares lost all momentum. And that's after her and Apple's jade cut each others throats.
I'll agree to disagree.
 
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Thought Lady Buttons got beat by Alletrix, who in turn got stuffed by Laurina?

Sorry for butting in :highly_amused:
 
Scooby91 said:
I won't go on with the debate. But laurina hasn't beat a Mare like lady buttons. ( she's a fine mare) la bague au roi rating is rock solid.
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Yep, beaten 8l in a handicap by alletrix, jogging
 
FWIW though I actually think writing off a novice chaser after one run and one win in a decent enough looking race is madness though.

I struggle to take ratings seriously unless at the very very top end of the game.
 
quevega said:
Yep, beaten 8l in a handicap by alletrix, jogging
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Look at the weights. And your making no sense la bague au roi is not running in the champion hurdle. You don't need to compare there form.
 
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True, you never know how it can improve some horses, just my personal theory on gigginstown and Irish staying chasers being that bit better on the whole, so you need a real top notcher over here to compete.
Elliotts stable and his gigginstown horses are like the Ethiopian distance runners from 80s and 90s.
 
quevega said:
True, you never know how it can improve some horses, just my personal theory on gigginstown and Irish staying chasers being that bit better on the whole, so you need a real top notcher over here to compete.
Elliotts stable and his gigginstown horses are like the Ethiopian distance runners from 80s and 90s.
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Just out of interest and I won't comment on them to start a debate. Im strongly assuming Laurina is 1, What else have you backed antepost for chelt in total? If anything else.
 
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Champion = Laurina (obviously) 16s and again at 12s, Samcro 8-1

Supreme = Annamix 20s, Quick Grabim 33s

Arkle = Laurina 25-1, Paloma Blue 20-1, Draconien 25-1

NH Chase = Ok Corral 33-1, Bacardys 33-1

RSA = Santini 16-1, Kilbricken Storm 33-1

Bumper = Energumene 50-1

Stayers = Penhill 8-1, Kilbricken Storm 45-1

Albert Bartlett = Robin de Carlow 33-1

TRiumph = Adjali 33-1, Never Adapt 33-1

Gold Cup = Balko des Flos 40-1

off top of my head that's all so far.
 
A good debate on here tonight. I was very taken by LBAR today and thought lostintranslation lost little in defeat.

LBAR's Cheltenham form is a big worry for me and that alone stops me from backing her for the festival. She does tend to disappoint in March /April so she's maybe one to catch early in the season as well.

The Feltham looks (to me) like a race that would suit her perfectly. *Post race comments suggest this race is the plan*
 
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quevega said:
Champion = Laurina (obviously) 16s and again at 12s, Samcro 8-1

Supreme = Annamix 20s, Quick Grabim 33s

Arkle = Laurina 25-1, Paloma Blue 20-1, Draconien 25-1

NH Chase = Ok Corral 33-1, Bacardys 33-1

RSA = Santini 16-1, Kilbricken Storm 33-1

Bumper = Energumene 50-1

Stayers = Penhill 8-1, Kilbricken Storm 45-1

Albert Bartlett = Robin de Carlow 33-1

TRiumph = Adjali 33-1, Never Adapt 33-1

Gold Cup = Balko des Flos 40-1

off top of my head that's all so far.
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Forgot SAmcro RSA 20-1

All alive and kicking as far as I know
so far so good.
 
I thought LBAR was really smart today, but just echo that I don't think she will run at Chelt, as she seems much better on a flat track.
 
quevega said:
Forgot SAmcro RSA 20-1

All alive and kicking as far as I know
so far so good.
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Yep. I like quick grabim too. If he wins on sunday which I think he will, I might well have to quickly take the 25s ew
 
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Scooby91 said:
I think the best thing to do is agree that she's no chance add her to the exchange and I'm sure someone will match me at 50.0 for the JLT.
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Can I have half of that please scoob? :triumphant:
 
Scooby91 said:
I think the best thing to do is agree that she's no chance add her to the exchange and I'm sure someone will match me at 50.0 for the JLT.
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£1000 for 4 months to win £20? :highly_amused:

Not really a fair way to settle a debate is it :p
 
Got some engine kIlbricken Storm, but jumps like a sack of spuds, could almost hear the back legs thudding to the turf after the floaty jumps.
That takes so much out of a horse he'll have no chance in this, unless he improves, and he jumped right which is another issue.
Glad I've backed for stayers as well.
 
quevega said:
Got some engine kIlbricken Storm, but jumps like a sack of spuds, could almost hear the back legs thudding to the turf after the floaty jumps.
That takes so much out of a horse he'll have no chance in this, unless he improves, and he jumped right which is another issue.
Glad I've backed for stayers as well.
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The good thing is, I was a little worried today, not the opposition, but he hates real heavy ground. So I have to say I'm pretty delighted with that and onwards from here.
 
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