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Champion Hurdle 2018

What I don't understand is why nothing surfaced in his work at home? There was no indication in the betting today that he wasn't 100%, its not like he only bounced a little bit, he absolutely plummeted. Not certain on this, but fairly sure he works with Melon, and maybe CE too, surely it would have been evident he'd bounce whilst doing his fast work? Assuming he still does fast work.
 
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Montjeu said:
What I don't understand is why nothing surfaced in his work at home? There was no indication in the betting today that he wasn't 100%, its not like he only bounced a little bit, he absolutely plummeted. Not certain on this, but fairly sure he works with Melon, and maybe CE too, surely it would have been evident he'd bounced whilst doing his fast work? Assuming he still does fast work.
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He said: "At the moment Faugheen is sound. He pulled up sound and the vets have passed him fine. He's not abnormal and not distressed.

"Paul said he just felt very lacklustre over the first few furlongs and he definitely wasn't himself.

"I'm sure something will arise. He might be incubating a cold or something like that, but at the moment we don't have any evidence of anything."

His work has been fine, so we had no worry about him coming here. The only observation I made before the race in the parade ring was he looked a little cold in his coat compared to our other horse, Cilaos Emery, who looked fantastic.
 
Very sad about the machine today, hope he is ok though.
 
Here's two statements for you. You pick which one gave the truth:

"He was fine in his work"


"Buveur was randomly gambled on into 7/4 in the last fortnight"

They all know- don't read too much in the presss from trainers about racing. It's errm, unreliable to say the least.
 
My go - I'd say that "He was fine in his work" is the absolute truth.
 
Interesting to see PP have gone shortest about BVD a 1/2, Arctic Fire cut to 20/1 with PP which is shortest and Yorkhill 6/1 but I don't think thats a sure thing that he goes this route personally. His jumping was good and I think they're more likely to win a Ryanair versus Fox Norton/Top Notch/UDS than a CH against BVD
 
I hope no-one will lose too much on Faugheen if he doesn't run here and my next bit isn't meant to be disrespectful to anyone that has/will, believe me, that horse has caused me more ante-post heartache than any other in history so I do sympathise.:highly_amused: It is because of that though that I made a promise to myself I wouldn't have anything other than free bets on...

The general consensus seems to have been (and I've been vocal enough with all along) that Buveur D'air is a much better bet at 4/1, (5/1 after Faugheen made his comeback?!?!) than Faugheen has at any stage. I did break my rule about not having real money on when I had 13 pts on NRNB at 4/1 - but obviously that had a degree of risk taken out of it. (Could still do my money but I still wouldn't expect Faugheen to be bigger than 4/1 if he did run).

It is a huge loss for Day One and the festival as a whole if Faugheen doesn't make it, and I am gutted but it is quite a cold, hard reminder that I should bet with my head and not my heart, and it is nice to be on the "right side" of that lesson for a change.
 
Might be wishful thinking , but I'm hoping that all's well with faugheen and he does race against Buveur d'air .
What the Festival is all about , best against the best.
 
Kevloaf said:
I hope no-one will lose too much on Faugheen if he doesn't run here and my next bit isn't meant to be disrespectful to anyone that has/will, believe me, that horse has caused me more ante-post heartache than any other in history so I do sympathise.:highly_amused: It is because of that though that I made a promise to myself I wouldn't have anything other than free bets on...

The general consensus seems to have been (and I've been vocal enough with all along) that Buveur D'air is a much better bet at 4/1, (5/1 after Faugheen made his comeback?!?!) than Faugheen has at any stage. I did break my rule about not having real money on when I had 13 pts on NRNB at 4/1 - but obviously that had a degree of risk taken out of it. (Could still do my money but I still wouldn't expect Faugheen to be bigger than 4/1 if he did run).

It is a huge loss for Day One and the festival as a whole if Faugheen doesn't make it, and I am gutted but it is quite a cold, hard reminder that I should bet with my head and not my heart, and it is nice to be on the "right side" of that lesson for a change.
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Agreed Kev, and I'll throw my worthless view into the ring, backing a 10yo in the CH is a general no no regardless of who it is/what he has achieved in the past, there's a reason only two horses of double digit age have ever won the race and in a bad year it could always happen again but with Buveur D'Air there you can't call this renewal bad.
Add to that a horse who was off the track for two years who had won a (virtual) 3 runner race on his return beating an ex champion now a stone worse than his peak who arguably needs much further than the minimum trip and there had to be enough doubts about Faugheen before parting with ones hard earned.

The games needs stars and Faugheen is a star so it will be a huge blow to the festival if he yet again fails to make it, but all things considered his price was always way too short for me.

This post may look completely stupid if Faugheen recovers, turns up and wins in March, but until that happens I'll stand by this...
 
doctorwu said:
Kev,
I was most impressed with Melons debut this season. He looked a lot more powerful in his frame. He could be an interesting CH play this year. As I'm a stats man I won't be having faugheen, so that leaves BD and Melon.
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BigChaang said:
Or Defi du seuil ????!!!!. :devilish:
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BC,
I don't know if that quote is aimed at me, and if so it would be in your interest to get your facts right before posting silly comments. If it wasn't, I apologise in advance.
 
Interesting that Defi has only had the 1 run after being busy last season. Has he picked up an injury or something?
 
doctorwu said:
BC,
I don't know if that quote is aimed at me, and if so it would be in your interest to get your facts right before posting silly comments. If it wasn't, I apologise in advance.
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Doc, Apologize at once !., It wasn't aimed at anyone , i was just adding to the debate .
 
Even Luke harvey mentioned that D.D.S might go under the radar should faugheen not show. I don't necessarily agree with him
but as i layed my money down for d.d.s in this , i wouldn't mind seeing a run for my money,
 
No worries Doc, IF, he get's there he'll need it .
 
Yorkhill must be a big possibility for this race should Faugheen not make it for whatever reason. As lightly raced as Melon is if he can't beat Tent then he won't be getting near BD for me. IMO the only horses that can potentially stick it to BD are Faugheen & Yorkhill, although Yorkhill does need to show he retains the same zest over hurdles, but I'd have no reason to believe he wouldn't, fences haven't been his game, and his raw talent was the reason he won at the festival last season, because his jumping still left a lot to be desired.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Yorkhill must be a big possibility for this race should Faugheen not make it for whatever reason. As lightly raced as Melon is if he can't beat Tent then he won't be getting near BD for me. IMO the only horses that can potentially stick it to BD are Faugheen & Yorkhill, although Yorkhill does need to show he retains the same zest over hurdles, but I'd have no reason to believe he wouldn't, fences haven't been his game, and his raw talent was the reason he won at the festival last season, because his jumping still left a lot to be desired.
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Personally think yorkhill is an excellent jumper of a fence. (Left handed) Wouldnt stop him going CH if that's what they wanted to do though. He's a poor price for it now though imo.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Yorkhill must be a big possibility for this race should Faugheen not make it for whatever reason. As lightly raced as Melon is if he can't beat Tent then he won't be getting near BD for me. IMO the only horses that can potentially stick it to BD are Faugheen & Yorkhill, although Yorkhill does need to show he retains the same zest over hurdles, but I'd have no reason to believe he wouldn't, fences haven't been his game, and his raw talent was the reason he won at the festival last season, because his jumping still left a lot to be desired.
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Cant see Faugheen turning up, and wouldn't touch him for reasons I've already stated. Willie will no doubt know who his best horse for the race is, and I expect it to be Melon. Whether he's good enough is another thing. Ridden differently I do expect Melon to surprise a few people. I have BD covered so happy with some Melon ew.
 
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