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Stayers Hurdle 2018

Nichols Canyon is fairly priced for this and on spring ground he does have the class to go very close again. Great form lines all over the place and unexposed at the trip. Good age and good ownership for this.

If you want to go left field, theres one I really like as an each way play if I could be certain they weren't going handicapping...

THE WORLDS END will be ruled out by almost all observers having been soundly beaten twice by Sam Spinner. However, please please have a watch of Ascot again. For me he travels all over most of the field and you can see that the ground is blunting him. He gets done for stamina late on. However, he stepped forward on his Haydock reappearances on heavy and showed the sort of class and cruising speed I hoped for.

On spring Cheltenham ground, I expect him to reverse form with SS and run a really big race. He's a great e/w play if he shows up here.
 
I'll go along with that AF.
Was tanking in the potato race when he came down and made amends at Aintree, difficult to assess the form of that race when none of those that were close have seen a racecourse since....
 
Al Ferof said:
Nichols Canyon is fairly priced for this and on spring ground he does have the class to go very close again. Great form lines all over the place and unexposed at the trip. Good age and good ownership for this.

If you want to go left field, theres one I really like as an each way play if I could be certain they weren't going handicapping...

THE WORLDS END will be ruled out by almost all observers having been soundly beaten twice by Sam Spinner. However, please please have a watch of Ascot again. For me he travels all over most of the field and you can see that the ground is blunting him. He gets done for stamina late on. However, he stepped forward on his Haydock reappearances on heavy and showed the sort of class and cruising speed I hoped for.

On spring Cheltenham ground, I expect him to reverse form with SS and run a really big race. He's a great e/w play if he shows up here.
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Istabraq said:
I'll go along with that AF.
Was tanking in the potato race when he came down and made amends at Aintree, difficult to assess the form of that race when none of those that were close have seen a racecourse since....
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WH are 40/1 about The World's End!? They must think he isn't running here at all?

I disagree with their price........On top of what has been said above, he was a 12/1 shot before any races we're run this season for this race (which was the main reason I wasn't interested in getting him onside) and you can put a line through one of his runs this season(heavy at Haydock).... so I think I will have 1 pt e/w 40/1 The World's End
 
Totally agree AF. Stop the race 2 out and he is traveling better than anything. 40/1 was too big to resist. Spring ground will bring out the best in him.....I hope.
 
Al Ferof said:
Nichols Canyon is fairly priced for this and on spring ground he does have the class to go very close again. Great form lines all over the place and unexposed at the trip. Good age and good ownership for this.

If you want to go left field, theres one I really like as an each way play if I could be certain they weren't going handicapping...

THE WORLDS END will be ruled out by almost all observers having been soundly beaten twice by Sam Spinner. However, please please have a watch of Ascot again. For me he travels all over most of the field and you can see that the ground is blunting him. He gets done for stamina late on. However, he stepped forward on his Haydock reappearances on heavy and showed the sort of class and cruising speed I hoped for.

On spring Cheltenham ground, I expect him to reverse form with SS and run a really big race. He's a great e/w play if he shows up here.
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Totally agree AF. Great call with TWE.
 
Al Ferof said:
Nichols Canyon is fairly priced for this and on spring ground he does have the class to go very close again. Great form lines all over the place and unexposed at the trip. Good age and good ownership for this.

If you want to go left field, theres one I really like as an each way play if I could be certain they weren't going handicapping...

THE WORLDS END will be ruled out by almost all observers having been soundly beaten twice by Sam Spinner. However, please please have a watch of Ascot again. For me he travels all over most of the field and you can see that the ground is blunting him. He gets done for stamina late on. However, he stepped forward on his Haydock reappearances on heavy and showed the sort of class and cruising speed I hoped for.

On spring Cheltenham ground, I expect him to reverse form with SS and run a really big race. He's a great e/w play if he shows up here.
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Totally agree with this Al Ferof. I have him in afew multiples and i definitely think the spring ground will show him in a
different light .
 
BigChaang said:
Totally agree with this Al Ferof. I have him in afew multiples and i definitely think the spring ground will show him in a
different light .
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Hopefully agree with Al Ferof that TWE will improve with better ground. Got him in a juicy e/w yankee with MB,
BD and CoC. A spring ground horse in the way that Cole Harden was when I backed him at 25/1 for the stayers a few years ago has confirmed that 40/1 with WH is a great e/w bet.
 
Tomorrow at 1-20 leopardstown . over 3 miles . Apples jade , Nichols canyon and Supasundae in the mix . could be
some more clues for the stayers hurdle in march
 
Do we think Elliott will still take the Mares route even if AJ wins again tomorrow?
 
darlojim said:
Do we think Elliott will still take the Mares route even if AJ wins again tomorrow?
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I think Apples Jade is made for 3m and so many horses from Triumph hurdles end up staying well (Tiger Roll, Zarkandar, Top Notch etc) and I think she'd have a right chance in the stayers. The Mares only events muddy the antepost waters somewhat!

They might however end up thinking the 3mile event is easier- depending on how it goes and what pans out. They certainly won't be afraid of UKWIMH and if they can defeat NC again over 3m then surely they'd be thinking why not?

Willies Mares will always give AJ a tough race you'd think.
 
darlojim said:
Do we think Elliott will still take the Mares route even if AJ wins again tomorrow?
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I think Apples Jade is made for 3m and so many horses from Triumph hurdles end up staying well (Tiger Roll, Zarkandar, Top Notch etc) and I think she'd have a right chance in the stayers. The Mares only events muddy the waters somewhat!
 
darlojim said:
Do we think Elliott will still take the Mares route even if AJ wins again tomorrow?
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No.

Al Ferof said:
I think Apples Jade is made for 3m and so many horses from Triumph hurdles end up staying well (Tiger Roll, Zarkandar, Top Notch etc) and I think she'd have a right chance in the stayers. The Mares only events muddy the antepost waters somewhat!

They might however end up thinking the 3mile event is easier- depending on how it goes and what pans out. They certainly won't be afraid of UKWIMH and if they can defeat NC again over 3m then surely they'd be thinking why not?

Willies Mares will always give AJ a tough race you'd think.
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There is no possible way that the Mares race on day 1 will be a stronger race than the Stayers Hurdle.

Apple's Jade is the only open company mare that doesn't need the 7lb allowance, therefore off levels she woul;d dispatch any mare in training, over 2m, 2m4f and 3m.

The Mares race is a grade 1, she'll be odds on for it and the stayers hurdle doesn't have anywhere near enough sway for Gigginstown or Elliott to give it a moments thought... PLUS it'll be a harder race, 100%. I don't like "Mullins will have some mares so it'll be tough arguement".... if Mullins' mares were that good, why aren't they in the stayers hurdle?

:very_drunk: I have had a rum :highly_amused:

P.s. *for the avoidance of doubt, I do think she'd be the right fav and most likely winner of the stayers hurdle.... but my point is, she won't go for it...as it won't be the easiest grade 1, and it isn't a race that matters to connections.
 
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That looked a horrible fall for NC. Hope he is OK.
 
Oh no. Heartbreaking
 
Gutting. Seemed to jump too early and came down on top of it. He was a great wee horse
 
Gutted for the all the connections of NC. It looked like he jumped the shadow.
 
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