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National Hunt Chase (4 miler) 2018

A different one of gordons would interest me for this,
Possibly a bit of a dark one. But free expression has some decent form and plenty of experience, I liked the way he went to the line behind nambour when finishing in front of
a genie inabottle. He's exposed but he's ran against very good opposition, I'll be interested to see how he gets on, he wouldnt be disgraced in an rsa by any means, but I'd like to see how he shapes over 3.
If he went down the handicap route his current mark of 142 would look lenient to me,
 
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140 odd runners and never won at any Cheltenham meeting...

Tim Vaugheen finally beats his Cheltenham Voodoo. All roads lead to his first winner at the Festival in this race with Debece in March now :triumphant:

A different one of gordons would interest me for this,
Possibly a bit of a dark one. But free expression has some decent form and plenty of experience, I liked the way he went to the line behind nambour when finishing in front of
a genie inabottle. He's exposed but he's ran against very good opposition, I'll be interested to see how he gets on, he wouldnt be disgraced in an rsa by any means, but I'd like to see how he shapes over 3.
If he went down the handicap route his current mark of 142 would look lenient to me,

Good shout Scooby. I actually posted this on him in last years thread at the start of last season so agree on him being a possible player in this race

...The horse I actually quite like out of the three is Free Expression. He's been running in good company throughout his career against the likes of Outlander and No More Heroes and has performed with merit. I think he's crying out for a step up to at least 3 miles, whether 4 miles will suit i'm unsure but I think he's got a good race in him for Elliott at some point in his career. it;s also worth noting that McManus has a good record in this race with 6 winners including the last 2 years. Maybe he'll get his checkbook out again and persuade a top jockey to get onboard
 
I was going to post about the Tim Vaughan news yesterday , but i forgot , already have a small e/w for Debece,
but going to add a little more as he's off the mark !.
 
Maybe they'll come along like buses from Tim Vaughan now?
 
Presenting Percy anyone?

Katie Walsh won on him in a bumper?
Owner used Katie Walsh on Mall Dini at the festival last year in the Kim Muir?


Davy Russell would probably have something to whisper in the owners/trainers ears about it? RSA for me?
 
Here is a dark one for race , Champolean from Noel Meades stable.

If you think we saw the winner of RSA today (Presenting Percy) i strongly suggest you take a look at the horse in third from start of race , he was out with the washing , came from way of pace and was just getting going up the straight.

Caught my eye anyhow.
 
Debece gets a good mention on the #MNR podcast.... but for the RSA
 
What podcast is that Kev? It's not one I'm familiar with.
 
What podcast is that Kev? It's not one I'm familiar with.

https://soundcloud.com/user-96392225

It is alright to be fair, growing on me... been listening since about August, but reviewing flat horses isn't really that interesting in the grand scheme... so has potential.

Does get annoying that the host doesn't have the right volume on his mic though!
 
Thanks Kev - I'll have a listen :encouragement:
 
No problem.

Racing Post x2 (Monday and Friday)
Final Furlong (Usually Wednesday)
Monday Night Review (Usually comes out Tuesday)
Matchbook Podcast (Usually Thursday)(has a little bit for horse racing usually... and NFL actually but I guess you're already aware of that one?)
Racehour Podcast (Sponsered by BetBright, seems a bit sporadic but good guests when on)
Horse Racing Ireland (Little snippets in the week and a Friday preview)
Talksport (They do mostly other sports but they do a Saturday preview...although think it is done live on Talksport in the morning and just gets posted a few days later as a podcast which isn't as useful)


If you know of any others anybody.... let me know.
 
No problem.

Racing Post x2 (Monday and Friday)
Final Furlong (Usually Wednesday)
Monday Night Review (Usually comes out Tuesday)
Matchbook Podcast (Usually Thursday)(has a little bit for horse racing usually... and NFL actually but I guess you're already aware of that one?)
Racehour Podcast (Sponsered by BetBright, seems a bit sporadic but good guests when on)
Horse Racing Ireland (Little snippets in the week and a Friday preview)
Talksport (They do mostly other sports but they do a Saturday preview...although think it is done live on Talksport in the morning and just gets posted a few days later as a podcast which isn't as useful)


If you know of any others anybody.... let me know.

Not a podcast but always look forward to, "on the line", with matt chapman on atr
 
Not a podcast but always look forward to, "on the line", with matt chapman on atr

Chappers is great value. It is essential viewing. :highly_amused::encouragement:
 
I used to love Final Furlong, but never seems to work on my phone and that was my only way of viewing now as no longer have my Firestick where I used to get it on.
 
I used to love Final Furlong, but never seems to work on my phone and that was my only way of viewing now as no longer have my Firestick where I used to get it on.

If you have an android phone I'd recommend getting the Pocket Cast app. It costs a couple of quid but is well with the money.
 
Glad to hear a few more shouts on Debece. I do think connections will hope he'll end up an RSA horse but I see this race being ideal and more likely, especially now he has his winner at the track - this horse could be his best chance yet of winning at the festival so I imagine he'll go for the race he is most likely to win. Following Tim Vaughans success at the weekend I have gone in for my first bet in the race at 40/1. Without wanting to offend the trainer, my main worry actually is whether he can attract a top jockey for the ride come March which is so important in the race but everything else I like so at the price is worth taking the chance.

I've also added a second bet in this race tonight with Elegant Escape at 50/1. I thought he made a more than saticfactory chase debut at Chepstow recently but just lacked the pace of Mia's Storm at the finish. As an ex Point to Pointer he jumped really well. It's also worth noting they started him off at 23.5F suggesting he needs at least 3 miles and has bags of stamina. In Tizzard's RP stable tour last week:

We aimed him quite high last year and he ran a good race in the AB but he was over the top by Aintree. I was very pleased with him on his chasing debut and he does stay very well, so he could be one for the four-miler at the Cheltenham Festival. He'll probably run again at Cheltenham next month and he'll improve from his reappearance.

Jamie Codd rode the horse in his PTP (behind Samcro) and had this to say at the start of last season:

He was second to Colin Bowe's Samcro on debut and has since joined Colin Tizzard, and I think this lad could be really nice.
He was beaten a length on the day and he's a big baby, but he should do very well for Colin all being well..he'd definitely appreciate a big of nicer ground and once he strengthens up, he should make into a nice novice next year, before he could win a bumper. But, I wouldn't be hanging around too long in bumpers as he is a proper jumping horse

Jamie Codd will want to be on the best horse in the race but the fact he did ride the horse in his PTP and had good things to say means there is a chance he may end up linking up if Elegant Escape is one of the main contenders for the race. Although he has often teamed up with Gordon Elliott, he showed last year by choosing AGenieinabottle for Noel Meade that it's not a given. Unlike my concerns with Debece, i'm also confident that Tizzard could persuade one of the top jockeys to get the ride, particularly with his stock being a a career high these last few years. Derek O'Connor famously switched to Minella Rocco but he had initially agreed to ride Native River.

And speaking of Native River - it's worth noting just how similar a path Elegant Escape's career so far has mirrored the Hennessy and Welsh National winner's novice hurdle campaign. Both one a couple of novice hurdles, then stepped markedly up in the Challow Hurdle and Albert Bartlett. (Both disappointed in these 2 races) Like Native River, Elegant Escape started his chasing career off at Chepstow and particularly after Colin Tizzards recent comments it looks likely he could follow NR and line up in the 4 Miler.

Before the Chepstow run Joe Tizzard (before Colin's comments in the RP stable tour) had some good words on him saying he's one of their top novice chasers and that he's summered well and grown into his body:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joe Tizzard says Elegant Escape is one of their top novice chasers! He runs today in the 2:15 at Chepstow. <a href="https://t.co/zzTxtewZKx">pic.twitter.com/zzTxtewZKx</a></p>— Coral (@Coral) <a href="https://twitter.com/Coral/status/919470415243722752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Plenty to like for me and at 50/1 (with William Hill) is well worth getting involved now. He will run again at the November meeting.

I'm half tempted to add Fagan in at 25's as well as it looks an almost certain target now, and even if Codd wasn't to team up with Elliott again, Lisa O'Neill could very well take up the ride and she proved her talent in big field chases when winning this race with Tiger Roll last year along with 2 Kerry National successes. That said, I cannot really see the price altering too much now so i'm in no rush to get involved there.

Nearer the time I will 100% be adding the horse(s) with the highest OR such as their fantastic record over the last 7 years.

It seems Derek O'Connor has solidified his spot as JP's rider in the festival amateur races over the last few years so that will also be something I look to target but again will wait until things become a little clearer. A couple of early JP horses of interest though - I brought him up in the RSA thread after David Jennings gave him a glowing mention but I actually think No Comment could be ideal for this race particularly after his two big field second place finishes at Aintree and Punchestown. He's not entered up in the market yet but depending on how his chase debut goes, I may ask to get him added in. Free Expression, Jerrysback and even Sutton Place are others.

My bets in this race so far:

Debece 0.5pts EW 40/1
Elegant Escape 0.5pts EW 50/1