General Chat

[Runragged]

He was tipped by Harry Whatsisname from the racing post too ..
I backed and then changed my mind ...

Kealy also put him up. I was surprised his price held for so long. Eventually money came in the last half an hour.

 

[Wayward Lad]

It's going to be very fast ground today. After the drainage upgrade in the summer, it's now a joke how fast the ground dries and it was already fast before the work! I think it's a very serious problem and think they don't know how much extra water they need to put on to balance the new drainage.

Could very well be that they don’t know how much water they need to put on post the drainage works…..or/and the drainage works are just too good!……or they just misjudged the weather forecast?

Pullin has said today that they had the wettest start to the year and the improved drainage meant they could still race on New Year’s Day, whereas they would have had problems in the past with getting rid of the quantity of water

He explains that they “did all they could’ by putting on x mm of water on etc…….yet surely they didn’t do all they could because more water was needed?……is there a reticence to water when rain is forecast and getting Heavy ground as a result? …..should this policy be changed?

24 NR’s and counting which indicates that ground promised/expected by trainers hasn’t been delivered by Pullin, yet are there any consequences for Cheltenham missing the promised/expected ground conditions?

The optics look poor IMO, with everyone bar the Racecourse appearing to at at detriment with a reduced spectacle today/tomorrow

 

[Wayward Lad]

Thursday at the last Festival, Gold Cup day the year before. The man has form and his response to Mullins' criticism looks ridiculous now.

But he says that “they have done all that they can”

 

[Carnage at Taunton]

Do we know for sure they didn’t do all they can?

I don’t.

 

[Quevega]

I think there is a limit given the amount of machinery they have available to put water down in say a 12 hour period or whatever.
But they could buy more machinery for a start, using the money they make from us on pints and ticket prices.
The only caveat and mitigation they may have is that I believe they take water from a brook and other water sources nearby, and possibly this is limited or places restrictions ?
I haven't seen this mentioned as a factor though.

What we do hear from the clerk often enough is that they are watering the ground to "maintain" it as safe jumping ground. IMO they need to upgrade what their opinion of safe jumping ground is for future. He has never said, we've put as much as we can on.

And stop recording the official going in such an apparently dishonest way.
It clearly was not Good, Good to soft in places yesterday at the start of racing.

 

[Wayward Lad]

Do we know for sure they didn’t do all they can?

I don’t.

After the recent Mullins criticism wouldnt they err on the side of caution and apply gazillions of gallons, not worrying if the rain arrives and the ground ends up heavy this weekend?

I would have thought the target, based upon the criticism would be that the going must be a minimum of soft, yet it’s now good to firm……

 

[Quevega]

They may have to abandon the Chases tomorrow.
And anyone who says they've done all they can is generally not being truthful.
I tell my wife I've tried my best every other day, But have I fuckers like.

 

[Eggs]

…..can only see 1 non-runner at Navan & 1 at Uttoxeter.

 

[BigChaang]

90% rule 4

Yep !! ,and he's still got to win .. not a given.

 

[Wayward Lad]

I think there is a limit given the amount of machinery they have available to put water down in say a 12 hour period or whatever.
But they could buy more machinery for a start, using the money they make from us on pints and ticket prices.
The only caveat and mitigation they may have is that I believe they take water from a brook and other water sources nearby, and possibly this is limited or places restrictions ?
I haven't seen this mentioned as a factor though.

What we do hear from the clerk often enough is that they are watering the ground to "maintain" it as safe jumping ground. IMO they need to upgrade what their opinion of safe jumping ground is for future. He has never said, we've put as much as we can on.

And stop recording the official going in such an apparently dishonest way.
It clearly was not Good, Good to soft in places yesterday at the start of racing.

I think it’s the ‘target’ ground conditions that is part of the issue, what does “safe jumping ground” mean?……if it’s good/good to soft then maybe the target should be more towards soft?

How is it that they can advertise the ground as x and race times suggest otherwise?…..I think there was something recently where a COTC was found to have lied and yet the sanction wasn’t much? Ie implying this issue is not such a big deal

 

[Quevega]

Yep !! ,and he's still got to win .. not a given.

I backed the 4yr old so it's a head to head.
Like in the old days when we had competitions

 

[BigChaang]

I backed the 4yr old so it's a head to head.
Like in the old days when we had competitions

Oooh , I remember it well !..

 

[YoungHustler]

The Yellow Clay backed into favourite for today's good looking Lismullen Hurdle. He was high on many people's hopes last year but turned out disappointing with perhaps his debut last year bottoming him for the whole of last season. Still available at 100/1 with many firms today so worth an interest for the Stayers which is a race that any horse can win.

 

[YoungHustler]

The Yellow Clay backed into favourite for today's good looking Lismullen Hurdle. He was high on many people's hopes last year but turned out disappointing with perhaps his debut last year bottoming him for the whole of last season. Still available at 100/1 with many firms today so worth an interest for the Stayers which is a race that any horse can win.

In the bin.

 

[Guinness Village]

In the bin.

Bit disappointed with his effort. I thought he was going to get involved at Cheltenham before tipping up. Nevermind, he could be handicapped for another try in march

 

[Guinness Village]

William hill still doing to win any race multiples and each way multiple bets
Worth a look

 

[Guinness Village]

I’ve been rightfully or wrongly having each way twar doubles and trebles on skerry hill Jade de grugy and kitzbuhel

 

[Luke95]

I think there is a limit given the amount of machinery they have available to put water down in say a 12 hour period or whatever.
But they could buy more machinery for a start, using the money they make from us on pints and ticket prices.
The only caveat and mitigation they may have is that I believe they take water from a brook and other water sources nearby, and possibly this is limited or places restrictions ?
I haven't seen this mentioned as a factor though.

What we do hear from the clerk often enough is that they are watering the ground to "maintain" it as safe jumping ground. IMO they need to upgrade what their opinion of safe jumping ground is for future. He has never said, we've put as much as we can on.

And stop recording the official going in such an apparently dishonest way.
It clearly was not Good, Good to soft in places yesterday at the start of racing.

We were there yesterday and watched Harry Fry doing a full walk of the chase course. When he came back in we asked if there was any soft in the going and he just laughed and said no. Gidleigh Park was a nr 10 mins later.

Not good enough putting punters away with ground conditions.

 

[Carnage at Taunton]

We were there yesterday and watched Harry Fry doing a full walk of the chase course. When he came back in we asked if there was any soft in the going and he just laughed and said no. Gidleigh Park was a nr 10 mins later.

Not good enough putting punters away with ground conditions.

I thought it was officially good ground yesterday?

 

[Quevega]

I thought it was officially good ground yesterday?

Was changed to good after second race