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2017 Bumper

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Always difficult when to know if the value has gone. I felt frustrated when I'd missed 20s when Billy first put getabird up and felt silly taking 12s. Now people are taking 5s on the basis he'll shorten again which he may/probably will do as CCM suggests!

Easy for me to say now as I'm on at the middle price but I wouldn't be rushing to take a single figure price as value but then if he did go off 2/1 you'd kick yourself?

He has shortened and shortened without running and as a general rule maybe a good idea to be wary of that imho
 
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Getabirds bumper win was good but I feel he is priced up on his owners reputation as much as anything. Willie has a great record in the bumper but his last two winners have been with the supposed second or third string (Champagne Fever, Briar Hill). Battlefield almost won for him last year and he was 20/1+

It's not a race I'd want to be taking short odds on. I'd be delighted with some of the vouchers you all have on him though. :very_drunk:
 
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I'm well covered in this with Ballyward, Carter McKay and Western Ryder at decent double figure prices, but may throw a Free Bet at Getabird when my latest footy multiple with Lads hits the bar... (quite a regular occurrence!) :very_drunk:
 
Almost backed Ballyward then based on him being 14s in a place and 8s in another... but just a little concern that his debut was over 2m4f with Cheltenham being the aim. Some (very) quick looking through the form of the last couple of winners (MR, Ballyandy) and Battleford I saw non of them raced over 16f prior to the race.

Before I delve any deeper, is that something that is uncommon/a worry?
 
A 2m 4f bumper is uncommon but the champion bumper is often won by staying types. Briar Hill being a prime example.
 
Thanks. I suppose if you know he gets further the instructions are simple... make it a test? Should be prominent throughout the race and at least hold on for a place? Unless completely out classed.
 
The big plus in my opinion is your likely to have Ruby on board, who is great at front running round Cheltenham if that's what is required.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
The big plus in my opinion is your likely to have Ruby on board, who is great at front running round Cheltenham if that's what is required.
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Who is considered the yards number 1 when it comes to bumpers? Ruby or Patrick? If Ruby gets the pick can't see him being on anything but Getabird
 
Patrick gets the pick of the bumper horses.
 
Ruby's last 5 rides in the Bumper have finished in the following positions, at these prices:

2016: 3rd 16/1
2015: 10th 14/1 (bellshill)
2014: 2nd 7/2
2013: 1st 25/1
2012: 3rd 12/1

Patricks rides have finished in the following places
2016: 12th 10/1 (Augusta Kate was ridden by Townsend)
2015: PU 7/1
2014: 4th 13/2
2013: 8th 9/1
2012: 1st 16/1 (champagne fever)

Not a bad record for Ruby, and certainly no negative that he doesn't get first pick.
 
That is a smashing record really for Ruby. Think Patrick picks the wrong one on purpose or just gets out classed? :devilish:
 
I've a feeling Patrick isn't the best judge myself.
 
Hey folks, a question if I may. How does a Listed bumper in England match up to a regular Irish bumper with regards to the festival do you think? Going through the bumper at the moment looking for an angle and keep coming back to Western Rider of Warren Greatrex who has finished 2nd then 1st in Listed bumpers in his last two races. 25/1 looks a bit big to me.
 
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Hey folks, a question if I may. How does a Listed bumper in England match up to a regular Irish bumper with regards to the festival do you think? Going through the bumper at the moment looking for an angle and keep coming back to Western Rider of Warren Greatrex who has finished 2nd then 1st in Listed bumpers in his last two races. 25/1 looks a bit big to me.
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I doubt there is much of a trend to go on as some of the UK winners in recent years did not win a Listed bumper themselves but still prevailed at Cheltenham. Neither Cue Card, Cheltenian or Moon Racer won a listed bumper but Ballyandy did.
 
The problem is working out which is the stronger form,Irish or English
Impossible to guage at this point
However,much more likelier that the Irish ( Mullins ) will have more than he has shown
If I find myself torn between an Irish or an English horse I will always go for the Irish horse
Reason been apart from been patriotic ,in recent festivals the Irish have supplied 30 % of the runners but 50 % of the winners,approximately
 
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At 25/1 'theporge' have a poke. At least you know he'll turn up in it!!! (if fit and well) and for me, form in bumpers throughout the season isn't always replicated in the Cheltenham bumper, some horses have only run once, open to all kinds of improvement and so on... The nature of these horses and whether they're in the long run going to be better horses than they show before they tackle a hurdle or fence is part of the puzzle.

Others may prefer to delve in to the form but I see this race as one that is harder than almost ANY to get a proper handle on!
 
Carter Mckay has shortened up today - 12s generally now so joint second fav with Ballyward. Getabird has also shortened up - 4s from 5s.
 
DeeBee said:
Carter Mckay has shortened up today - 12s generally now so joint second fav with Ballyward. Getabird has also shortened up - 4s from 5s.
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Entered on Thursday aren't they?
 
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