The Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

[Brooksie]

that Pied Piper entry on Saturday screams Boodles

 

[Odin]

that Pied Piper entry on Saturday screams Boodles

If he's declared. If they declare Ebaraza (or whatever the other one is called), that screams Boodles for him instead

 

[Brooksie]

No Pied Piper, Ebasari runs though.

 

[doctorwu]

If he's declared. If they declare Ebaraza (or whatever the other one is called), that screams Boodles for him instead

Ive backed Ebasari for both. Its tight but he could just make 3 runs for Boodles.

 

[doctorwu]

Ebasari could get another run in 3 weeks time say 12th Feb weekend, that'll give him 30 odd days.....

 

[Might_Bite]

Didn’t catch the race but looks like Ebasari was whacked… what were people’s thoughts?

 

[On The Fringe]

Didn’t catch the race but looks like Ebasari was whacked… what were people’s thoughts?

In my opinion, he was deliberately never put into the race. The 40/1 now available with PP/Betfair is tempting

 

[Kevloaf]

In my opinion, he was deliberately never put into the race. The 40/1 now available with PP/Betfair is tempting

Would that fit the profile for Gordon's handicap horses do you think?

 

[Kevloaf]

Didn’t catch the race but looks like Ebasari was whacked… what were people’s thoughts?

That not every horse that doesn't win for Gordon Elliott automatically means they're a plot.

He'd want to be running again and showing a lot more next time to even be considered a festival handicap winner IMO.

I'd be amazed if he's Gordon's best dart for the Boodles after that run. Definitely wait until entered again before considering a bet, even at 40/1.

 

[On The Fringe]

Would that fit the profile for Gordon's handicap horses do you think?

I feel there were a lot of similarities with how Britzka ran for GE a few weeks ago who looks like Boodles type too. I think he was pushed out to 33/1 immediately after the race and then clipped back into 16/1 over the week after.

GE has used that race for his Boodles horses before as per Saxons Diary. So I'd say at 40/1 I'd be happy to find out if this was deliberate by GE to keep handicap mark down (when he gets 3rd run).

I imagine he will go for the novice hurdle at Naas in February that Aramax and Band of Outlaws ran in prior to winning the Fred Winter / Boodles next.

If we could guarantee cash out would still be available with PP/Betfair by the time that race comes around I'd be all over that 40/1.

 

[Kevloaf]

I feel there were a lot of similarities with how Britzka ran for GE a few weeks ago who looks like Boodles type too. I think he was pushed out to 33/1 immediately after the race and then clipped back into 16/1 over the week after.

GE has used that race for his Boodles horses before as per Saxons Diary. So I'd say at 40/1 I'd be happy to find out if this was deliberate by GE to keep handicap mark down (when he gets 3rd run).

I imagine he will go for the novice hurdle at Naas in February that Aramax and Band of Outlaws ran in prior to winning the Fred Winter / Boodles next.

If we could guarantee cash out would still be available with PP/Betfair by the time that race comes around I'd be all over that 40/1.

I'm a big fan of looking for the patterns, have done it successfully on here before SW started his superb threads..... however they are only a guide and we have to take what we actually see at face value sometimes rather than try and retrospectively make it still look like a plan.

For me, Britzka isn't at the top of my Boodles list either... he may well run, but I don't think he's going to be the main dart.

I can see the angle, but I think these patterns will change over time, the same size is too small to rely on fully.


It should go without saying that I would 100% respect any Gordon Elliott horse in any handicap, so I'm not saying the two you've mentioned can't win or won't be shorter on the day or anything like that.... I just thought today, that was not what you'd have wanted to see.

 

[Saxon Warrior]

I'm a big fan of looking for the patterns, have done it successfully on here before SW started his superb threads..... however they are only a guide and we have to take what we actually see at face value sometimes rather than try and retrospectively make it still look like a plan.

For me, Britzka isn't at the top of my Boodles list either... he may well run, but I don't think he's going to be the main dart.

I can see the angle, but I think these patterns will change over time, the same size is too small to rely on fully.


It should go without saying that I would 100% respect any Gordon Elliott horse in any handicap, so I'm not saying the two you've mentioned can't win or won't be shorter on the day or anything like that.... I just thought today, that was not what you'd have wanted to see.

Britzka had wind problems, but they chanced it last time, and it didn't work out

He's had a wind op, so we may see a much better horse next time.

 

[Kevloaf]

Britzka had wind problems, but they chanced it last time, and it didn't work out

He's had a wind op, so we may see a much better horse next time.

Yeah maybe, best priced 16/1 now has me looking elsewhere for the moment though.

 

[darlojim]

Interesting entry for Gaelic Warrior this weekend at Cheltenham in a 2m hcap hurdle.
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Can someone confirm how many runs he'd need to be eligible for this?

 

[Odin]

Interesting entry for Gaelic Warrior this weekend at Cheltenham in a 2m hcap hurdle.
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Can someone confirm how many runs he'd need to be eligible for this?

He's had 3 hurdles runs in France so should be qualified and eligible I think

 

[darlojim]

He's had 3 hurdles runs in France so should be qualified and eligible I think

I looked at that Odin but wasn't sure if the runs had to be in a specific time frame, thanks mate.

 

[Exar Essay]

He was one I had in the tracker for next year ... was hoping he might be kept back for a novice hurdle campaign.

 

[Goldentouch]

Interesting entry for Gaelic Warrior this weekend at Cheltenham in a 2m hcap hurdle.
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Can someone confirm how many runs he'd need to be eligible for this?

Where are you seeing the entries please? Can’t find them anywhere

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Interesting entry for Gaelic Warrior this weekend at Cheltenham in a 2m hcap hurdle.
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Can someone confirm how many runs he'd need to be eligible for this?

Obvious check for his rating, IMO. He's one for the Boodles I've been waiting for an entry for a while tbh.

 

[Madmoose]

Obvious check for his rating, IMO. He's one for the Boodles I've been waiting for an entry for a while tbh.

I thought he was going to get a DRF entry but when he never I assumed he was being kept back for next season.