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2022 Gold Cup

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If Monkfish had beaten Shan blue a distance with Fiddlerontheroof another distance behind at Aintree.
What would we have thought ?

To me it seems Chantry House is getting no credit for that.
He fucking hammered them, and they had all ran at Cheltenham, so no excuses.
None of the rest could finish the race.

It's possible that none of them ran their race.
But if you follow racing and take that view too often then you'll not follow it for long.

You can put the Aintree race alongside the RSA as the two most solid pieces of 3M Grade 1 Novice Chase form.

Chantry House was very good at Aintree, alongside the faller Espoir de Romay who kept fresh by winning at Leicester whilst Chantry went to win the Marsh Novice Chase in a much harder race.

To win back to back Grade 1s at two different trips 22 days apart was a fantastic achievement.

He has as good a chance as any Second Season chaser in the Gold Cup.

His Cheltenham Festival form is rock solid.

On RPR’s he is the same in his 1st Gold Cup year as Al Boum was at this stage.

He is 2lb better than APT as a novice chaser, and 3lb behind APT’s best in that horses whole second season, including his Ryanair run, and beating Chacun in a Grade 1 Chase over 2M.

He is 2lb lower in his Novice Chase season c/w Minella Indo in his, and is 3lb lower than Indo was when he lined up in March’s Gold Cup.

So he has a good chance as it stands, to run well in the Gold Cup.

And IMO 12/1 is a fair price.

That is all before his KG bid, which throws the toys out of the pram again, and we reassess.
 
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You can put the Aintree race alongside the RSA as the two most solid pieces of 3M Grade 1 Novice Chase form.

Chantry House was very good at Aintree, alongside the faller Espoir de Romay who kept fresh by winning at Leicester whilst Chantry went to win the Marsh Novice Chase in a much harder race.

To win back to back Grade 1s at two different trips 22 days apart was a fantastic achievement.

He has as good a chance as any Second Season chaser in the Gold Cup.

His Cheltenham Festival form is rock solid.

On RPR’s he is the same in his 1st Gold Cup year as Al Boum was at this stage.

He is 2lb better than APT as a novice chaser, and 3lb behind APT’s best in that horses whole second season, including his Ryanair run, and beating Chacun in a Grade 1 Chase over 2M.

He is 2lb lower in his Novice Chase season c/w Minella Indo in his, and is 3lb lower than Indo was when he lined up in March’s Gold Cup.

So he has a good chance as it stands, to run well in the Gold Cup.

And IMO 12/1 is a fair price.

That is all before his KG bid, which throws the toys out of the pram again, and we reassess.

Apart from that what did the Romans ever do for us
 
Apart from that what did the Romans ever do for us

HaHaHa :glee::glee:

“All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”

………”Brought peace.”

Got to love Monty Python.
 
If you think fiddler and Shan blue ran their race at Aintree then chantry House and espoir de romay must be the next kauto star and denman

I agree.
The most likely answer is somewhere in between.
Which is still good form.

Espoir fell so cannot be judged just yet.
Although his run this year was a disapointment.
 
HaHaHa :glee::glee:

“All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”

………”Brought peace.”

Got to love Monty Python.

Don’t forget the aqueduct
 
If you are thinking that, i'd be taking the evens on offer, he's a 1/2 shot at the very least.

Agree. Can't imagine that lasting long now.
 
Cut to 22s on sky but 25s still there on 365. Fortunately popped my free bet on with sky this morning

Yep 25s the KG/Gold Cup Double with 365 if your looking for a much bigger price than Indo has been for the Gold Cup looks a decent way in.
 
Yep 25s the KG/Gold Cup Double with 365 if your looking for a much bigger price than Indo has been for the Gold Cup looks a decent way in.

Connections have said that the KG might not be the race for him but it fits in with his program have they not ? I agree as well. Don't see him as a KG horse at all.

Just looked up Henry's comments.....he said 'MI may not be your typical KG horse', so not as strong as saying 'might not be the race for him' but that's how I see it anyway.
 
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Connections have said that the KG might not be the race for him but it fits in with his program have they not ? I agree as well. Don't see him as a KG horse at all.

Just looked up Henry's comments.....he said 'MI may not be your typical KG horse', so not as strong as saying 'might not be the race for him' but that's how I see it anyway.

There’s been fresh quotes today, far more assertive about his chances, and confirming him as aimed at the race.
He wouldn’t be going, if they thought the track wouldn’t suit - it would be a waste of a run at a key time of the season.

It looks the right move to me, Kempton over 3M is 12 seconds longer than Leopardstown over 3M (RP Standard times) and it’s Leopardstown where he Fell and came 4th mid-season last year.

Leopardstown may be the track that doesn’t suit him as much, and is 4 seconds per mile quicker.


“Gold Cup hero Minella Indo will have the gears to handle his rivals in the King George when he lines up for Kempton's Christmas showpiece under Rachael Blackmore, says his owner Barry Maloney.

Minella Indo was ridden by Jack Kennedy when triumphing at Cheltenham in March, but Maloney said Blackmore will be on board for the Ladbrokes-sponsored prize, for which the eight-year-old is a best-priced 5-1 chance behind favourite Clan Des Obeaux.

Minella Indo showed bucket-loads of stamina when winning the Albert Bartlett and the Gold Cup but Maloney believes the drop back to three miles at a quicker track will not be an issue and that he will strip much fitter as a result of his reappearance third behind Frodon in the Champion Chase at Down Royal six weeks ago.

He said: “Minella Indo definitely has the gears. If you look at him coming down the hill in the Albert Bartlett, Rachael was swinging out of him, he was absolutely flying. He's got everything. He's no slouch and we wouldn't be going to Kempton if we didn't think he'd handle the course.

“He's a real challenge to get fit because he eats all around himself in the off season. He goes a bit mad and then Henry [de Bromhead] is tasked with trying to get him back fit. He will come on a lot for his comeback at Down Royal and we can already see that at home. He's on the right track.”

Monalee, owned by Maloney and also trained by De Bromhead, was ruled out of last season's King George at the 11th hour due to the Irish government's ban on UK travel and the owner is not taking anything for granted with Minella Indo this time round.

He said: “It's just unbelievable to have a horse like Minella Indo. We are still pinching ourselves, to tell the truth. We really, really fancied Monalee for this race last year. Frodon would not have had a free run of things if Monalee had been in it. Rachael would have taken him on right from the beginning and that course would have really suited him.



Rachael Blackmore (right, on A Plus Tard) congratulates Gold Cup hero Jack Kennedy on stablemate Minella Indo
Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)



“The King George is such an iconic race that we've always wanted to have a horse good enough to win it. After we had to take Monalee out last year I can remember saying to Henry at the time that, if we could get Minella Indo there at some point that would be great. Thankfully, so far, everything is on track and all things being equal, that's where he will run.”

Much of the build-up to Minella Indo's return at Down Royal revolved around who would be doing the steering. At the beginning of the week, De Bromhead said Kennedy would retain the partnership before Gordon Elliott booked the jockey for Delta Work, clearing the path for Blackmore to continue her association with Minella Indo.

There will be no such confusion on December 26, with Maloney confirming that Blackmore will ride Minella Indo at Kempton, but no decision will be made for the Gold Cup just yet.

He explained: "My working assumption at the moment is that Rachael will ride him this Christmas and then we'll see what happens when we get to the Gold Cup. The probability is that, after Christmas, he will go straight for the Gold Cup. That will be the plan.”

Maloney added: “You can take it that we think we will be competitive at Kempton. We've very excited. It's going to be a tough race but, if our fella is on song, I'd rather be on him than anything else in the race.”
 
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In view of MI going KG and the likes of Al Boum Photo, Envoi, Potektorat, Allaho and Asterion Forlonge also looking likely to miss the race, Galvin looks to me like the EW bet of Xmas. He was available at 10/1 a couple of days ago but even at 6's that stands out to me. Easy for me to say of course as I won't be having a bet but sometimes things are a lot clearer when your own money is not on the table. He looks to have outstanding place claims and who's not to say he can't win it the way he's developed. Win or go close in the Savilles and his GC price will be cut even further.
 
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No doubt MI will be the classiest horse in the KG but even from the latest quotes it screams to me that they are still unsure whether he can lay up with them on a tight flat track especially if the ground is better than Soft. I'm not convinced at all and I don't think they are either and I do think he'll find it all happening a bit too quick and has place claims at best. He wouldn't be on my Xmas list.
 
No doubt MI will be the classiest horse in the KG but even from the latest quotes it screams to me that they are still unsure whether he can lay up with them on a tight flat track especially if the ground is better than Soft. I'm not convinced at all and I don't think they are either and I do think he'll find it all happening a bit too quick and has place claims at best. He wouldn't be on my Xmas list.

Fair enough.

Hope you’re wrong this time, as he’s on mine. :cocksure:
 
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