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2022 Gold Cup

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I don't really care where he goes. Its just great to have him back. Let's hope he stays sound and shows us what a super horse he is. This jump season could turn out to be the best for many years. So much to look forward to.
 
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Ice said:
Totally agree with that, i think if he ran in the gold cup he would get outstayed by the proper stayers, if it was a weak renewal then maybe he could get away with it. Will be interesting what cps do with their horses though.
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It sounds like they want to run allaho in the king George

If he wins that they will most likely run him in the gold cup despite the stamina doubts (a year older he may stay better i guess)

Then envoi dots up in the ryanair

Its very hard to guess where they will all go tbh, many a point will go down the drain on horses running in the wrong race I reckon this year
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
It sounds like they want to run allaho in the king George

If he wins that they will most likely run him in the gold cup despite the stamina doubts (a year older he may stay better i guess)

Then envoi dots up in the ryanair

Its very hard to guess where they will all go tbh, many a point will go down the drain on horses running in the wrong race I reckon this year
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If Allaho runs well or wins the king george and they ran him in the gold cup would they then drop a plus tard into the Ryanair and in order to split the three up then run envoi allen in the champion chase !? For me a plus tard should be in gold cup and other two in Ryanair but could understand them wanting one in each race !
 
charlie said:
Can see why he's shortened for the GC, but I'm thinking is if he's not good enough to beat Frodon (with all due respect) when race fit having travelling as he has, then how will he fair vs better rivals in March? He's a fascinating contender tho, no denying that and those with 40/1 slips have done well.
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I am hoping the extra 2f and stiff finish will help his cause, we know he likes the track. The 40s is looking very tasty i reckon.
 
If I had to make a call right now, i'd say Envoi will turn up in the Ryanair. However, I think and hope he's a GC candidate til he proves he's not. To do anything else would be a disservice to the horse IMO. If the run at Punchestown was a failure solely because of an in running injury as it's always been painted, then go again at the trip and get a proper answer to the question.

Edit: Actually i've changed my mind. If I posted about this every 5mins it'd be a different post. Fuck knows ffs... Just keep it simple and send him to the GC so we can all get a run for our Shishkin RAB please Henry!
 
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Really taken with MI today. My keen racing eye told me that he wasn't at his fighting weight (ok, it was Ruby that told me).
He's still the one to beat for me.
 
Any one think Delta work ran a good race today? Been off for a long time and always needs a run. I thought his jumping in particular was brilliant as that usually lets him down, was really promising though maybe him time has come and passed. Will defo be looking forward to his next run
 
Can someone explain why going to the John Durkan next is a negative re Envoi being targeted at the Gold Cup?? Several Gold Cup winners/placed horses have come from that race haven't they? Why would Henry bottom him out now over 3m+ when the GC is in March ? Am I missing something?
 
Big Chac said:
Any one think Delta work ran a good race today? Been off for a long time and always needs a run. I thought his jumping in particular was brilliant as that usually lets him down, was really promising though maybe him time has come and passed. Will defo be looking forward to his next run
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I would be with you on this one - looked to be staying on okay come the finish too - noted down one to consider in a potentially easier race , especially if softer/a little further in trip
 
Atlantic Viking said:
Everyone's racing with the Spring in mind first and foremost, Frodon for today and Christmas. I think it was promising how close Galvin made it.
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I agree AK,

Galvin thrives on decent spring ground, that why he runs at the front and back of every season and not in the winter ground.

By all accounts Frodon was as fit as a fiddle, and primed for the day.

Galvin has never had a sniff at a Grade 1 (or 2) Chase until today, Frodon has ran in 10 Grade 1’s and 11 Grade 2 chases.
It was a good experience for the horse to have, racing against better horses than he has done before.

Not sure we will see Galvin much before Cheltenham now, I haven’t heard any trainer comments on the subject yet though.
 
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Big Chac said:
Any one think Delta work ran a good race today? Been off for a long time and always needs a run. I thought his jumping in particular was brilliant as that usually lets him down, was really promising though maybe him time has come and passed. Will defo be looking forward to his next run
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He did - I thought they all ran good races with the exception of Ravenhill who was miles out of depth. As you’ve said though, Delta Work’s had his time & come up short when it’s mattered at Cheltenham (and I’ve lost on him accordingly a couple of times now), have the feeling there’ll be 2 or 3 at least ahead of him come March. It feels like he’s been around for ages too yet’s only an 8yo however. Minella Indo the one to take out of that race for me, was game despite being far from wound up. I still have a niggling feeling one of the younger ones will step up this year however and pip him.
 
Thought Galvin ran a great race today. Would have preferred much better ground and is a better horse left handed. 3 miles is probably the minimum he needs these days as well. 3m 2f around Cheltenham will suit just fine. Wouldn't be at all surprised if they just put him away now until the GC. His record after a long break is faultless. He's definitely a player now. C'mon Big 'G' !
 
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Atlantic Viking said:
If I had to make a call right now, i'd say Envoi will turn up in the Ryanair. However, I think and hope he's a GC candidate til he proves he's not. To do anything else would be a disservice to the horse IMO. If the run at Punchestown was a failure solely because of an in running injury as it's always been painted, then go again at the trip and get a proper answer to the question.

Edit: Actually i've changed my mind. If I posted about this every 5mins it'd be a different post. Fuck knows ffs... Just keep it simple and send him to the GC so we can all get a run for our Shishkin RAB please Henry!
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Agree completely, at least give the horse the chance again at 3 miles. I’m a fellow big (Shishkin double) ticket holder and can’t help but feel we are not going to get a run for our money due to the Gordon Elliot saga fallout and the fact that Henry has an embarrassment of riches lined up for the Gold Cup. If EA was still with Gordon I’d have no doubt he’d be having every chance to prove he was a GC contender this season. Only hope is that EA gets a chance over 3 miles and takes it with both hands so that Henry has no choice. Not liking the chances of these stars aligning now to be honest.
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
It sounds like they want to run allaho in the king George

If he wins that they will most likely run him in the gold cup despite the stamina doubts (a year older he may stay better i guess)

Then envoi dots up in the ryanair

Its very hard to guess where they will all go tbh, many a point will go down the drain on horses running in the wrong race I reckon this year
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Even if Alloha won the King George I’d have it odds against he turns up in the Gold Cup. While you couldn’t rule it out all the noises from the yard suggest that they now accept that the mid trip at Cheltenham is ideal for the horse
 
Lobos said:
I don't really care where he goes. Its just great to have him back. Let's hope he stays sound and shows us what a super horse he is. This jump season could turn out to be the best for many years. So much to look forward to.
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I'm this Lobos. After last year to see him just cantering around taking the piss was absolutely joyous
 
Lobos said:
I don't really care where he goes. Its just great to have him back. Let's hope he stays sound and shows us what a super horse he is. This jump season could turn out to be the best for many years. So much to look forward to.
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As the holder of an each way double voucher, Adayar (Derby) 50/1 and Envoi (Gold Cup) 20/1, I'll be the selfish twat who desperately wants him running on Friday !!!
 
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Istabraq said:
As the holder of an each way double voucher, Adayar (Derby) 50/1 and Envoi (Gold Cup) 20/1, I'll be the selfish twat who desperately wants him running on Friday !!!
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:biggrin-new:Forgot about that ! I too would love it if he ended up running on the final day. He's a GC virgin so he's got the stats on his side. Fingers crossed !
 
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As the holder of an each way double voucher, Adayar (Derby) 50/1 and Envoi (Gold Cup) 20/1, I'll be the selfish twat who desperately wants him running on Friday !!!
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I think with that voucher you're quite right to be a selfish twat Istabraq. :highly_amused: Very nice indeed. :cool:
 
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