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King George VI Chase 2020
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Best to wait until declared I would think. Might miss a few points but better than losing a stake
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Santini doesn't have any gears?
Monalee won a grade 2 over 2m4f last year (2019)
Just different types of horses, one seems to be an 'old fashioned' staying chaser.
Santini might be a better horse, but one being a boat and the other not is just about the type of horse probably.
Boats win Gold Cups too
Monalee won't ever win a Gold Cup, but he's more likely to win a KG.Looks a proper renewal but, in light of what Cloth Cap did to his Hennessy field and if you’re prepared to ignore his last run, Frodon has the look of a horse that still has some value in his 33/1 price...
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Santini doesn't have any gears?
Monalee won a grade 2 over 2m4f last year (2019)
Just different types of horses, one seems to be an 'old fashioned' staying chaser.
Santini might be a better horse, but one being a boat and the other not is just about the type of horse probably.
Boats win Gold Cups too
I wouldn't read too much into Monalee winning over 2m4, he beat Anabel Fly who probably needs further than Santini. Santini also won a grade 2 over 2m4 albeit over hurdles (clutching here)
I just don't think the race is for either of them tbh, Monalee doesn't really have gears either and I think he'll be outpaced around Kempton. Plus he seems to have an allergy to winning races. I'm probably still hurting over his Ryanair performance from 2019 to give him a chance.
Also Boats definitely win Gold Cups, Santini probably my main punt for March as it stands
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Santini doesn't have any gears?
Monalee won a grade 2 over 2m4f last year (2019)
Just different types of horses, one seems to be an 'old fashioned' staying chaser.
Santini might be a better horse, but one being a boat and the other not is just about the type of horse probably.
Boats win Gold Cups too
IMO :triumphant::watermelon::highly_amused:
:biggrin-new: shit.
Yes, apologies, IMO Monalee won't ever win a Gold Cup.
Caught me hook line and sinker there.
I wouldn't read too much into Monalee winning over 2m4, he beat Anabel Fly who probably needs further than Santini. Santini also won a grade 2 over 2m4 albeit over hurdles (clutching here)
I just don't think the race is for either of them tbh, Monalee doesn't really have gears either and I think he'll be outpaced around Kempton. Plus he seems to have an allergy to winning races. I'm probably still hurting over his Ryanair performance from 2019 to give him a chance.
Also Boats definitely win Gold Cups, Santini probably my main punt for March as it stands
Yeah to be fair I agree with pretty much all of that.
It's the fact I wanted Monalee in that Ryanair at the back of my mind proving (to me) that I think he has enough speed to win over 2m5f, therefore he's not a boat the same as HMS Santini is...
....as I said though, I agree with everything in the post above.
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Absolutely no chance whatsoever that the boat Santini has a hope in hell of not being outpaced over 3 miles round Kempton. He will absolutely be ridden along down the back straight.
Could not back him with counterfeit.
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You can put your life on someone like Skybet offering 4 places for this.
Which will make some good each way value here I reckon with the top 2 both going to be around 2/1.
The problem though is working out which of those at juicy prices is the each way thievery.
Which will make some good each way value here I reckon with the top 2 both going to be around 2/1.
The problem though is working out which of those at juicy prices is the each way thievery.
None if you have to work it out :welcoming:
Santini in the place only market with everyone in the world out to get him.
Ridden along the back straight, chugs along into the places.
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I’m a man with a plan folks... hear me out..
Most people would agree this looks a two horse race for win purposes. I’m certainly one of them. Most people would agree Epatante won’t be beaten in the Christmas Hurdle. I’m certainly one of them.
Currently Epatante is 4/9 best priced. Cyrname or CDO to win is best priced 8/13. No way of doubling them though even if we wanted to. That double would’ve paid (if both best prices were with the same bookie) 5/4.
Right.. Paddy Power right now are offering 5/1 about Cyrname and Epatante in a boosted double.
As the defending champion, I’m expecting Clan Des Obeaux to be in the usual ‘on the day’ boosted double across the bookies on Boxing Day with Epatante. The current double for the two at best price is 3/1. I’d expect someone will offer a boost of around 7/2 or 4/1 for the double even. Even if it’s 7/2, that would mean dutching the 5/1 available now on PP for Epatante/Cyrname with the 7/2 on the day double for Epatante/CDO pays 2/1 and 5/4. That’s for the minimum 7/2 double with CDO. I still think there’s a fair chance someone offfers bigger than that.
That’s my plan at 4:58am and I’m sticking to it. Only issue is there’s a max stake for the PP double right now at 5/1 of ?20. Though if you wanted to Dutch at bigger amounts, I suppose we can access other PP accounts.
Level stake means you’re getting 5/4 after Epatante wins for CDO and 2/1 for Cyrname.
Hit me with why this is a bad idea folks..
Most people would agree this looks a two horse race for win purposes. I’m certainly one of them. Most people would agree Epatante won’t be beaten in the Christmas Hurdle. I’m certainly one of them.
Currently Epatante is 4/9 best priced. Cyrname or CDO to win is best priced 8/13. No way of doubling them though even if we wanted to. That double would’ve paid (if both best prices were with the same bookie) 5/4.
Right.. Paddy Power right now are offering 5/1 about Cyrname and Epatante in a boosted double.
As the defending champion, I’m expecting Clan Des Obeaux to be in the usual ‘on the day’ boosted double across the bookies on Boxing Day with Epatante. The current double for the two at best price is 3/1. I’d expect someone will offer a boost of around 7/2 or 4/1 for the double even. Even if it’s 7/2, that would mean dutching the 5/1 available now on PP for Epatante/Cyrname with the 7/2 on the day double for Epatante/CDO pays 2/1 and 5/4. That’s for the minimum 7/2 double with CDO. I still think there’s a fair chance someone offfers bigger than that.
That’s my plan at 4:58am and I’m sticking to it. Only issue is there’s a max stake for the PP double right now at 5/1 of ?20. Though if you wanted to Dutch at bigger amounts, I suppose we can access other PP accounts.
Level stake means you’re getting 5/4 after Epatante wins for CDO and 2/1 for Cyrname.
Hit me with why this is a bad idea folks..
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4:58am! You been up all night thinking about that one MOM haha. I think you will be collecting. Personally if I was doing it I’d play Ep and CDO for a fair bit more and use Cyrname just as a saver. All the bookies will be out to get Cyrname. They know what they are getting with CDO a solid run which will take a very good performance to beat him. Cyrname has a lot more question marks and should be twice the price of COD imo. Good luck though I’ll be surprised if your not collecting.
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I watched cyrnames ascot chase, his win over altior and his Wetherby win over 3 miles and have possibly somewhat foolishly further convinced myself he is going to win
His jumping is so good, he took a length out of altior at every fence
In last years king George cobden had to scrub him along before the first fence and he never travelled with his usual exuberance.
Hopefully his much easier prep will mean we see the real cyrname this time, instead it's CDO who comes here having had a very hard race.
Very much looking forward to this.
His jumping is so good, he took a length out of altior at every fence
In last years king George cobden had to scrub him along before the first fence and he never travelled with his usual exuberance.
Hopefully his much easier prep will mean we see the real cyrname this time, instead it's CDO who comes here having had a very hard race.
Very much looking forward to this.
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Nice gesture from PP refunding bets on Monalee for here and a few others like PTKO who were due to travel over.
Edit: Just reading others following suit, can anyone confirm?
Suppose be good tactic to so so as don't want to fall out with customers/punters over boxing day which is biggest betting day of year!
Edit: Just reading others following suit, can anyone confirm?
Suppose be good tactic to so so as don't want to fall out with customers/punters over boxing day which is biggest betting day of year!
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I'd be staggered if they didn't all follow suit.
They won't have taken much money relative to what they will over the next few (and more importantly, on the day).
Only a handful of horses it'll have affected too?.... so I hope you're right BB!