Champion Hurdle 2020

[archie]

It's a long time from November to March.

I don't have figures for DR winners who go on to win at the Festival but I suspect it's not all that encouraging.

 

[Lobos]

Good to see! Any particular reason? Write up, article or anything? I took him after his decent win at WKD hurdle at down royal. Decent ew punt!

Probably Ew money and lots of it in a very open year. He put up probably the most eye catching performance this season so far by 2 milers. 25's was too big. A long time to go though

 

[Lobos]

It's a long time from November to March.

I don't have figures for DR winners who go on to win at the Festival but I suspect it's not all that encouraging.

He did run rather well at Fez this year though when completely unfancied. I like his profile. Looks a big improver and could be anything.

 

[archie]

Gut betting v head betting. No right way. Good luck.

 

[Lobos]

Gut betting v head betting. No right way. Good luck.

It's the other way round I think in his case.

 

[JackieMoon33]

I was on the minority backing Couer Sublime for the Triumph last year but I thought they might try and ‘handicap’ him this season rather than aim high. They’ve decided to aim high but I’d want to see more substance before he carries my cash again.

 

[Humble Pie]

I was on the minority backing Couer Sublime for the Triumph last year but I thought they might try and ‘handicap’ him this season rather than aim high. They’ve decided to aim high but I’d want to see more substance before he carries my cash again.

Gutsy horse but just under top table for me

 

[Quevega]

I'd be heartbroken if either Pentland Hills and/or Couer Sublime (to a lesser extent) were good enough for a champion hurdle.
It'd be like when Katchit won.
Or when Wimbledon won the FA cup.
Or Joe Johnson winning the World Snooker championship.
Or when Cliff Richard's - 'Saviours day' kept Vanilla Ice's -'Ice Ice Baby' from the Xmas number one spot. :heart-borken:

 

[Geordieboy83]

I'd be heartbroken if either Pentland Hills and/or Couer Sublime (to a lesser extent) were good enough for a champion hurdle.
It'd be like when Katchit won.
Or when Wimbledon won the FA cup.
Or Joe Johnson winning the World Snooker championship.
Or when Cliff Richard's - 'Saviours day' kept Vanilla Ice's -'Ice Ice Baby' from the Xmas number one spot. :heart-borken:

I actually Laughed out loud at this!

 

[Saxon Warrior]

I'd be heartbroken if either Pentland Hills and/or Couer Sublime (to a lesser extent) were good enough for a champion hurdle.
It'd be like when Katchit won.
Or when Wimbledon won the FA cup.
Or Joe Johnson winning the World Snooker championship.
Or when Cliff Richard's - 'Saviours day' kept Vanilla Ice's -'Ice Ice Baby' from the Xmas number one spot. :heart-borken:

Q, but these horrors do happen, as you've listed. So maybe Couer Sublime is the next in the list.

 

[Lobos]

I'd be heartbroken if either Pentland Hills and/or Couer Sublime (to a lesser extent) were good enough for a champion hurdle.
It'd be like when Katchit won.
Or when Wimbledon won the FA cup.
Or Joe Johnson winning the World Snooker championship.
Or when Cliff Richard's - 'Saviours day' kept Vanilla Ice's -'Ice Ice Baby' from the Xmas number one spot. :heart-borken:

......or if Espoir Dallen won it..............that's what was posted last year !

 

[Kevloaf]

The difference is Espoir D'allen was 18/1 on the morning and Couer Sublime is 18/1 now

 

[Liam301287]

With the comments I being reading I decided to back Couer Sublime at 25/1. Hopefully see him again over christmas. Maybe one of the Christmas festivals.

 

[Kevloaf]

Coeur Sublime - He's had 7 runs over obstacles and won 2 of them.


He was beaten 3L in the Triumph by Pentland Hills.

Pentland Hills then beat Fakir D'oudaries a neck at Aintree...

Fakir was beaten 2.75L by Fusil Raffles at Punchestown.



Fair to say Pentland Hills and Fusil Raffles both look to have Couer Sublime held on last years form?



Relative to THEIR prices, I can see why Coeur Sublime might be an alright bet.... BUT I think they're [FR and PH] both horribly under priced, and therefore Coeur Sublime isn't that enticing either.

 

[delsie777]

Coeur Sublime - He's had 7 runs over obstacles and won 2 of them.


He was beaten 3L in the Triumph by Pentland Hills.

Pentland Hills then beat Fakir D'oudaries a neck at Aintree...

Fakir was beaten 2.75L by Fusil Raffles at Punchestown.



Fair to say Pentland Hills and Fusil Raffles both look to have Couer Sublime held on last years form?



Relative to THEIR prices, I can see why Coeur Sublime might be an alright bet.... BUT I think they're [FR and PH] both horribly under priced, and therefore Coeur Sublime isn't that enticing either.

I think it was the manner of CS's reappearance win, Kev. Looked good that day and encourages punters to believe there may have been improvement. I was with him eachway in last year's Triumph, believing he had a big one in him. I must admit to having taken a bit of 33's this year. I guess he's just a horse I like. Not sure why.

 

[Kevloaf]

I think it was the manner of CS's reappearance win, Kev. Looked good that day and encourages punters to believe there may have been improvement. I was with him eachway in last year's Triumph, believing he had a big one in him. I must admit to having taken a bit of 33's this year. I guess he's just a horse I like. Not sure why.

He only beat his stable mate and went off fav to do-so, so I suppose I'm just cautious of the value to the win at this stage.

Coko Beach is probably being lined up for the County Hurdle

 

[Scooby91]

He only beat his stable mate and went off fav to do-so, so I suppose I'm just cautious of the value to the win at this stage.

Coko Beach is probably being lined up for the County Hurdle

Have you seen his rating?
Coko beach (142 irish)

Probably the worst handicapped horse in the land.

 

[Kevloaf]

Have you seen his rating?
Coko beach (142 irish)

Probably the worst handicapped horse in the land.

Hence him being beaten 15L, they'll be aiming to get it down.

2021 County Hurdle winner

 

[opatcho]

... and that really puts me off these lot

I think we're heading into a repeat of 2016, where the likes of BVD are starting to aged a little and become more vulnerable whilst we are lacking a superstar from the supreme and neptune

Could this be a renewal where a mare takes this, or something from out field - i.e. a "Labaik" for instance

At 33/1, I can't help myself and had to take a few of those with Elixir De Nutz

Not sure how he would have got on in the supreme, that Tolworth was tough and may have come too soon for him. His injury may be a blessing in disguise allowing the 5 year old time to build up and come back stronger.

Looks like a horse who will enjoy strong pace, and if he needs to led the race himself then so be it - this is nothing new to him and he's shown plenty of battle to fed off anyone coming through

Sounds like connections are targeting the International. BVD doesnt turn up to these, so expect to see some right odd balls trying to seek some prize money...

If he goes I'm sure money will come in for him, and if Colin has him at 90% on then I'd expect his price for this will be cut sharply

It's not a race I'd normally look towards for a Champion Hurdler, however it will be a great race to kick start De Nutz campaign and give him something to build upon

I do think he's going to want soft in that Champ Hurdle, so something to note down

 

[The King Pimm]

I’ve also backed Elixir De Nutz and Honeysuckle for CH. Given the limited obvious candidates in this market at the moment mainly due to chasing aspirations I can see this season’s renewal having a small field and 33’s & 40’s with a cash out option maybe a very big price on the day if they end up here.