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Champion Hurdle 2019

Champion Hurdle 2019

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jack1092 said:
It's a tricky one.



What if Samcro ran to a length of BDA? Hendo's quotes would suggest BDA will be needing the run, so it's possible it would still be viewed as a poor run, but he'd have achieved a fair bit i think...Would Elliot then believe he has enough left to work with for the CH or would he admit defeat?

They could be in a tricky position!
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If he gets that close or beats him they continue
 
Interesting that PPBFSB are best price BD and worst price Samcro
 
Folski said:
Interesting that PPBFSB are best price BD and worst price Samcro
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Because they know he's running and what sort of money comes for him from punters that think hes a superstar. that's the main basis of any antepost bookmaking.
 
Scooby91 said:
Because they know he's running and what sort of money comes for him from punters that think hes a superstar. that's the main basis of any antepost bookmaking.
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Would they not want to get him in the book if he's not all that, not dodging him and taking on BD.
 
Anybody heard an update on Supasundae? 8/1 for the Hattons Grace looks a great bet if that is still the plan...

PP going 8's from 5's suggest they know something unfortunately.
 
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Folski said:
Would they not want to get him in the book if he's not all that, not dodging him and taking on BD.
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Why would you get him in the book at a bigger price than hell be on the day. As a trader that makes no financial sense.
 
Scooby91 said:
Why would you get him in the book at a bigger price than hell be on the day. As a trader that makes no financial sense.
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That appears to be what they are doing with BD. Unless he is not an intended runner.
 
Folski said:
That appears to be what they are doing with BD. Unless he is not an intended runner.
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You'll be suprised there. They'll be close to jt fav. samcro might even be fav such as the hype around him.

If you back samcro now at 2/1 And trade out on the day. You'd make quite a bit of cash.
 
The Supreme Novices’ Hurdle winner will certainly have his mettle tested as he is due to take on dual champion Buveur D’Air and Irish star Samcro.

Summerville Boy’s Festival success came in last-gasp fashion after mistakes at the final two flights meant he only overtook Kalashnikov in the dying strides.

“He had a good summer, he’s been back in since the middle of July and since then we’ve been gradually stepping him up and he’s ready to go now,” George told At The Races.

“Hopefully it will be a good platform for the rest of the season.


“We had a few mistakes in the latter part of his races, but essentially he’s a good jumper. I think he’s got an unbelievable amount of talent, he was just looking around, so it’s greenness more than anything.

“We’ve been happy with his schooling so I don’t see it being a problem.”

Samcro beat Black Op, a stablemate of Summerville Boy in the Ballymore Novices’ Hurdle in March and George feels that gives him a good sense of the form.

“Black Op was the only horse to get near to Samcro and he got the last wrong that day. Without that, he’d have put it up to him, but he’s a different horse completely to Summerville Boy so we’ve a good idea where we stand. We’ll just keep that to ourselves for the time being!” he said.

“Obviously they have been talking Samcro up as the best to come out of Ireland for some time and if that’s the case, then we’ll be happy to come behind him, but we’ll give it our best shot and see how we get on.

“We couldn’t be happier, he’s in at the deep end but hopefully we’ll have something to build on.”
 
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Can't help but read between the lines there and think George fancies Summerville Boy to best Black Op over 2 miles ... can certainly see why they'd not be scared to have a crack at him over 2!
 
Kevloaf said:
Can't help but read between the lines there and think George fancies Summerville Boy to best Black Op over 2 miles ... can certainly see why they'd not be scared to have a crack at him over 2!
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I think he travels all over black op on the gallops by the sound of it.
 
Yes thought that was surprisingly confident from the normally understated George.

Think BD is the one myself.
 
Lost in translation also came from the supreme and went and gave black op a proper race. So it does tie in with what he's hinting at.
 
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Scooby91 said:
I think he travels all over black op on the gallops by the sound of it.
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Would he really work his two best horses together at home?

Tom George has always stated Summerville Boy is the quicker of the two when speaking about them together. He always throws in the disclaimer that although Black Op is more of a chaser, he’s not slow either.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Would he really work his two best horses together at home?

Tom George has always stated Summerville Boy is the quicker of the two when speaking about them together. He always throws in the disclaimer that although Black Op is more of a chaser, he’s not slow either.
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I diddnt mean this season. But if you meant at any time. I remember in a stable tour video pre chelt. Tom George saying That they had worked together before In the past but they no longer did as they were different types of horses.
 
I had a look at BD hurdle to hurdle in the Champion versus Samcro in the Ballymore, while it is far from ideal to compare times across different days, it would appear that the ground was relatively similar considering the Supreme was faster than the bumper, Arkle faster than QMCC, RSA faster than Ultima, Ballymore faster than Mares it seems relatively similar. Any effect of drying appears to have been cancelled by the ground being less fresh.

From the 1st to 6th hurdles in the Champion versus 3rd to 8th in the Ballymore, BD was 5.61 seconds faster than Samcro. The equivalent of about 22.5L. From the 6th to post or 8th to post depending on the race Samcro was 4.03 seconds quicker than BD, this is despite idling, hanging and running 4.5f further than BD. He ended up 1.58 seconds slower carrying 3lb less but running 4.5f more.
 
Samcro weak on betfair - nothing to lay for FF
 
Samcro weak in the Fighting Fifth market.
 
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