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Champion Hurdle 2019

Champion Hurdle 2019

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Plenty of rain in North east, I will be attending the Fighting Fifth meeting, and I would fully expect Samcro to turn up.
 
Geordieboy83 said:
Plenty of rain in North east, I will be attending the Fighting Fifth meeting, and I would fully expect Samcro to turn up.
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IF it comes up heavy that brings Summerville Boy into play IMO. Don't know how much rain is required to get them sort of conditions though?
 
Fingers crossed it stays that way Geordieboy! Attending myself, and wouldn't mind the FF to be a race this year compared to last!
 
I just can't see past Samcro for this at the moment. If and it is a big if, he goes to the fighting fifth and beats BD surely he's 4/5f for this. I don't really see how he doesn't go there, plenty of horses were beat first time out, people lost their minds when Faugheen was beat by Nichols Canyon, the real Faugheen showed up in the Irish Champion. I'd a huge beat on Tiger Roll last week not to place at 6/5 then winnings have all gone on Samcro for the Champion.
 
Put it another way, what happens if
1. BD'A thumps Samcro?
2. BD'A wins cosily?
3. BD'A just prevails?
 
On a second run in open company, as long as its option 3, i'd take it if i was Elliot.

In BDA we are hardly talking about an average CH horse...plenty of time to make improvement up to March.

He might be losing his air of invincibility but that's racing.
 
Folski said:
I just can't see past Samcro for this at the moment. If and it is a big if, he goes to the fighting fifth and beats BD surely he's 4/5f for this. I don't really see how he doesn't go there, plenty of horses were beat first time out, people lost their minds when Faugheen was beat by Nichols Canyon, the real Faugheen showed up in the Irish Champion. I'd a huge beat on Tiger Roll last week not to place at 6/5 then winnings have all gone on Samcro for the Champion.
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That's a huge first if. When he just got beat by bedrock.
 
Absolute SCENES when Bedrock beats all three of the main contenders
 
Scooby91 said:
That's a huge first if. When he just got beat by bedrock.
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But beat Sharjah by 5 giving him 8lb, who went and won a poor renewal of the Morgiana. Tombstone & Wicklow Brave both beat by Bedrock in the build up to the Morgiana, but both beat further by Sharjah in the Morgiana would imply and confirm my initial suspicions that Samcro & Sharjah did indeed cut each others throats and set it up for Bedrock. Given both Sharjah & Bedrock were also race fit I'm happily putting a line through that for Samcro.

It's quite noticeable how different Sharjah was when he had pace to aim at, the same will be for Samcro and the Champion Hurdle will have pace on, as either Elliott and or Mullins will make sure of that if no one else does!
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
But beat Sharjah by 5 giving him 8lb, who went and won a poor renewal of the Morgiana. Tombstone & Wicklow Brave both beat by Bedrock in the build up to the Morgiana, but both beat further by Sharjah in the Morgiana would imply and confirm my initial suspicions that Samcro & Sharjah did indeed cut each others throats and set it up for Bedrock. Given both Sharjah & Bedrock were also race fit I'm happily putting a line through that for Samcro.

It's quite noticeable how different Sharjah was when he had pace to aim at, the same will be for Samcro and the Champion Hurdle will have pace on, as either Elliott and or Mullins will make sure of that if no one else does!
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How I see it and how WPM sees it. Also the horse hadn't worked on grass, all Gordon's have improved for the run. Should he still be beating a race fit Bedrock, absolutely. Think he has still shown a decent level of ability in the run.
 
Be amazed if both Laurina and Samcro run at ascot, but Gordon's clearly just entered it this morning
 
boopa said:
Interesting stride analysis https://twitter.com/racehorsesrace1/status/1062788985293103104
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Not knocking you here Boopa, very interesting reading but how I see it is...

He has compared Faugheen's champion hurdle which was officially good to soft (at 7am) but more likely good (by half 2) due to the time, to Samcro's Ballymore which was on soft officially but probably closer to heavy ground and he's saying that he hasn't been able to run as fast and Samcro is not Faugheen, IMO the best horse to run over hurdles I have ever seen. Not forgetting the extra half a mile involved of course.

He's then compared that run to Buveur D'Air's in a champion that was .1 second above standard on officially good to soft ground again almost definitely good ground and then to a Christmas hurdle around Kempton and declared BD as a god among mere mortals.

I mean I don't know about you but I definitely run slower on a softer stickier surface and also run slower over further and also run slower up hill.

Just to add I also see he's thrown in Samcro in the Deliotte, a race he won doing handstands on soft ground, at another testing track in Leopardstown.
 
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Folski said:
How I see it and how WPM sees it. Also the horse hadn't worked on grass, all Gordon's have improved for the run. Should he still be beating a race fit Bedrock, absolutely. Think he has still shown a decent level of ability in the run.
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I really think i should have backed buveur dair at 7/2 for this. But i have a policy of not going short this year without nrnb. it's an ask to make it to the festival 4 years in a row. Not many of the championship winners make it back for there defence and he's won 2 in a row. That's there quite strong in my mind after what happened to the likes of faugheen, sizing john and others.
 
Scooby91 said:
I really think i should have backed buveur dair at 7/2 for this. But i have a policy of not going short this year without nrnb. it's an ask to make it to the festival 4 years in a row. Not many of the championship winners make it back for there defence and he's won 2 in a row. That's there quite strong in my mind after what happened to the likes of faugheen, sizing john and others.
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If you were guaranteed he'd make the festival BD at 7/2 would be a huge price for what IMO is a 3 horse race, one of which has beat nothing. It is incredibly difficult to keep coming back to the festival, Annie Power, Sprinter others in recent years. In his defence he hasn't had many hard races.
 
Altior was joined at Newbury by a handful of stablemates, including dual Champion Hurdle hero Buveur D’Air, who worked and finished upsides two stablemates under Barry Geraghty.
Just as he did last season, the JP McManus-owned seven-year-old is due to return in the Fighting Fifth at Newcastle on Saturday week, but the unseasonably dry weather is giving Henderson cause for concern.
“Newcastle is the plan, but if that comes out of the equation – if it was good, good to firm – we’d all be worried,” he said.
“There is a problem looming, and while this wind is in the east you aren’t going to see much rain.”
Buveur D’Air has undergone a wind operation during the summer and Geraghty commented after his morning workout how much cleaner his wind was.
Henderson said: “He was always making a funny little squeak, but when you scoped him nothing was wrong.
“But I felt this had to be done and it was better not to wait any longer.”
 
Old Vic said:
Altior was joined at Newbury by a handful of stablemates, including dual Champion Hurdle hero Buveur D’Air, who worked and finished upsides two stablemates under Barry Geraghty.
Just as he did last season, the JP McManus-owned seven-year-old is due to return in the Fighting Fifth at Newcastle on Saturday week, but the unseasonably dry weather is giving Henderson cause for concern.
“Newcastle is the plan, but if that comes out of the equation – if it was good, good to firm – we’d all be worried,” he said.
“There is a problem looming, and while this wind is in the east you aren’t going to see much rain.”
Buveur D’Air has undergone a wind operation during the summer and Geraghty commented after his morning workout how much cleaner his wind was.
Henderson said: “He was always making a funny little squeak, but when you scoped him nothing was wrong.
“But I felt this had to be done and it was better not to wait any longer.”
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There is a problem looming, and while this wind is in the east you aren’t going to see much rain.

WTF - 10 days away from the race and we're already coming out with waffly shit,
horse race trainers really are fantastic ramblers
 
quevega said:
There is a problem looming, and while this wind is in the east you aren’t going to see much rain.

WTF - 10 days away from the race and we're already coming out with waffly shit,
horse race trainers really are fantastic ramblers
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:highly_amused::highly_amused:
 
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